jjesse said:

congrats RJ that's great news to hear

Watch out for the lawsuits from Corna_Coder   Haven't had a chance to look at PC/oS but it's great news to hear a manufacturer picking up a linux os    

stevo_ said:

jjesse said:

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I've gotta be honest, when you first talked about this yonks ago I really didn't get the point.. so its ubuntu but preconfigured.. I just don't see how thats warranted as a new name or the hype.. I also really wonder how far you'll get with this before it gets noticed enough and you end up having to deal with legality issues of having a preconfigured OS (windows is becoming less and less pre-configured due to legal bs)..

Pretty harsh but I really don't get it..

corona_coder said:

I saw that on your blog.  Dont worry, Im writing Psystar an cease and desist.  I cant believe they chose P, drop the C, OS over gNewSense.  But no matter, you wont make any money and you will be broke and homeless by years end.  Your stupid distribution is DEAD!!!$$$

edit  breaking news

rj is spotted away from his computer, picture here

littleguru said:

corona_coder said:

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What's the problem with you? Really corona. What's up? Envy?

JChung2006 said:

littleguru said:

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corona_coder is actually a subtle MS marketing ploy designed to make Linux fans look like basement-dwelling idiots.

JChung2006 said:

littleguru said:

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corona_coder is actually a subtle MS marketing ploy designed to make Linux fans look like basement-dwelling idiots.

TommyCarlier said:

Congrats, RJ. I'm not an active Linux user, but I can see you're the good kind of Linux user: the kind that uses what works, regardless of where it came from. If only more Linux users where like you (and XaeroVincent).

Minh said:

TommyCarlier said:

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Tee Hee...

I found a picture of corona.

But, yeah, rj... I don't understand the world of Linux... but that sounds like a good thing.

rjdonhert said:

What Microsoft does is tie into the OS, you can take out Flock out of PC/OS and use Firefox or Opera and even Google Chrome when it becomes available for Linux.  Can you take out IE?  Look at everything Microsoft gets in trouble for and can you take that out of the system?  No.  You can add apps, you can take apps away but not the Microsoft preinstalled stuff.

rjdohnert said:

stevo_ said:

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" I've gotta be honest, when you first talked about this yonks ago I really didn't get the point.. so its ubuntu but preconfigured.."

The point being is that Ubuntu doesnt come preconfigured with anything and this isnt what users want or what they have come to expect out of a user experience.  Would you rather have an experience where you can just do what you want to do and dont worry about apt-get package XYZ? Even Linux Mint is frustrating to use.

" I just don't see how that's warranted as a new name or the hype.."

I had to change the name because of hehehehe legality issues.  When you include packages not included in the Ubuntu repository you cant use, Ubuntu or buntu in the name.  The is why OpenGEU had to change the name and why Linux Mint doesnt use Ubuntu or buntu in the name.  I was actually going to call it OS/4 which is what I was compiling at first but changed it due to what I perceived as Legal issues with OS/2. 

" I also really wonder how far you'll get with this before it gets noticed enough and you end up having to deal with legality issues of having a preconfigured OS (windows is becoming less and less pre-configured due to legal bs).."

What Microsoft does is tie into the OS, you can take out Flock out of PC/OS and use Firefox or Opera and even Google Chrome when it becomes available for Linux.  Can you take out IE?  Look at everything Microsoft gets in trouble for and can you take that out of the system?  No.  You can add apps, you can take apps away but not the Microsoft preinstalled stuff.  Is PC/OS getting noticed?  Yep it is.  I have 2 vendors preinstalling PC/OS on their PC's, well one officially the other says by the end of the month.  I have a vast variety of users and its growing.  I dont have any illusions of being the next great OS vendor, I have said this many times before.  PC/OS will exist if I have one user or no users, its what I find useful.  PC/OS has no legality issues except for the Linux zealots like corona_coder who have mental illusions of legal problems.   I personally use PC/OS on everything from the EeePC down to my lowliest file server.

Can you blame me for being excited that some people like it and have a need that PC/OS scratches.

stevo_ said:

rjdohnert said:

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I don't think thats nec~ true, IE is only required in the sense its a dependency for certain apis, so they can provide a html rendering ability without needing to implement a full browser stack theirself (wow imagine that).. ie the browser interface can be disabled if required.

As for specific cases regarding pre-configured, the biggest most recent stuff was regarding having default search or a default browser at all, but instead giving the users options..

I can see the need to make linux more user friendly, but I find it somewhat ironic that theres yet ANOTHER 'distro' made to attempt this, not to mention the others you pointed out that have tried something similar..

Personally I would of tried to arrange something with ubuntu, and not to get the OS preconfigured in the sense you've gone down, because I'm really not convinced that'll be considered 'fair'.. especially in the world of open source where everyone has their own variant.

I'd go as far as saying that in the spirit of open source, pre-configurability (defaults), is really against the idea.. you should be abstracting the configuration of the OS to make it as easy as possible for the user to pick a browser, mail client, etc.. codecs sure.. most people really shouldn't have to be bothered about that, but preinstalling codecs doesn't really warrant another distro, it warrants the media layer of the OS being able to find codecs for you seamlessly if possible.. (similar to how windows will take you to a website for information about unknown extensions).

stevo_ said:

"I'd go as far as saying that in the spirit of open source, pre-configurability (defaults), is really against the idea.. "

Yggdrasil said:

stevo_ said:

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I disagree with you. I think it's just a rabid subset of open source fanatics that carry the "Open source means compiling everything from scratch". If Linux wants to gain headway on the desktop, it needs to adopt a two-tier approach - preconfigured and ready out of the box for most users, but with the ability to configure and replace whatever is wanted afterwards. 

I don't have to be a programmer to use open-source software, and I don't need to know how it works. 

Ray7 said:

rjdonhert said:

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To be honest, I've never really seen the problem with not being able to remove stuff; it's never stopped me using FireFox, or QuickTime or anything else.

But good luck with the PyStar stuff; anything that helps them is all good in my opinion.

rjdohnert said:

Ray7 said:

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" To be honest, I've never really seen the problem with not being able to remove stuff; it's never stopped me using FireFox, or QuickTime or anything else."

You cant remove it.  You can make those things the default, yet you cant uninstall.  They are always there.   This is called bundling not preconfiguring.  Here is an example, with PC/OS OpenServer system I recommend Darwin Streaming Server.  I have a christian radio station in Asheville NC that uses PC/OS for streaming their podcasts and video files, they also use a bible reader and whatever else.  They also use a Java media player on their desktops and Firefox 3.  They can completely remove mplayer and VLC, they can completely remove Flock and they can completely remove Darwin Streaming Server so that the only thing on the system is what you want.  You cant do that with Windows.

stevo_ said:

rjdohnert said:

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Can't remove what from windows exactly? the only thing on that list that comes bundled with windows is windows media player.. and you can uninstall it, and microsoft even made special versions of windows (due to enforcement of "law"), where it isn't bundled by default, and 'nobody' bought it..

rjdohnert said:

stevo_ said:

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What you cant uninstall from Windows:

Internet Explorer
Windows Photo Gallery
Windows Calendar
Windows Mail
Windows Vista Search
Windows Media Player

You can disable them and choose other apps but you cant remove them completely.  Thats where Microsoft catches so much flac. 

corona_coder said:

rjdohnert said:

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What you say doesnt matter.  I sent my cease and desist to Psystar this morning, Im confident the P, drop the C, OS option will be removed by morning time.  Dont go away mad rj, just go away.  Your involvement in GNU/Linux is unwanted and unwelcome.  Your distro is unwanted and unwelcome.

littleguru said:

corona_coder said:

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by whom? you... and who else? don't make statements out of thin air.

matthews said:

littleguru said:

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The hive-mind.

corona_coder said:

rjdohnert said:

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What you say doesnt matter.  I sent my cease and desist to Psystar this morning, Im confident the P, drop the C, OS option will be removed by morning time.  Dont go away mad rj, just go away.  Your involvement in GNU/Linux is unwanted and unwelcome.  Your distro is unwanted and unwelcome.

corona_coder said:

I saw that on your blog.  Dont worry, Im writing Psystar an cease and desist.

blowdart said:

matthews said:

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You're giving too much credit; it's the voices in his head.

The last post from Corna_Coder was at 4:15pm yesterday and this mroning from Psystar I can still purchase a computer with PC/OS on it.
I'm glad another company listened to corna

jjesse said:

blowdart said:

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The last post from Corna_Coder was at 4:15pm yesterday and this mroning from Psystar I can still purchase a computer with PC/OS on it.
I'm glad another company listened to corna

Hate to bring up this thread again, but still waiting to hear the success story that Corna has with removing PC/OS from Psystars website.  Looks like I can still purchase it    

jjesse said:

jjesse said:

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Hate to bring up this thread again, but still waiting to hear the success story that Corna has with removing PC/OS from Psystars website.  Looks like I can still purchase it    

Minh said:

TommyCarlier said:

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Tee Hee...

I found a picture of corona.

But, yeah, rj... I don't understand the world of Linux... but that sounds like a good thing.