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Mary Jo Foley All About Microsoft
Here are a couple videos
And here is my preview post about it all.
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The calculator alone is worth the price of admission.

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It looks good in general, especially the calculator. One thing I'm not so sure about is why WordPad has been endowed with the Ribbon interface. It seems a bit excessive when there is only one tab and it's not even completely filled. Having said that, at least it looks nicer than the old toolbar stack.
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Yay, it comes with PowerShell!
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Agreed! Word and other Office had 1500 commands, features that were hidden and needed to be exposed.tfraser said:It looks good in general, especially the calculator. One thing I'm not so sure about is why WordPad has been endowed with the Ribbon interface. It seems a bit excessive when there is only one tab and it's not even completely filled. Having said that, at least it looks nicer than the old toolbar stack.
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WordPad is actually an MFC sample app (the source code ships as an example in Visual Studio). The latest version of MFC (the one that came along with the TR1 additions for C++) comes with a version of Wordpad that uses the ribbon; maybe this means that the new UI components (ribbon and such) are going to be available for third parties to use, too.tfraser said:It looks good in general, especially the calculator. One thing I'm not so sure about is why WordPad has been endowed with the Ribbon interface. It seems a bit excessive when there is only one tab and it's not even completely filled. Having said that, at least it looks nicer than the old toolbar stack.
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A while ago there was a video here with a developer from the C++ team about new additions to MFC in VS2008. One of the new bits was a Ribbon control available to all MFC applications. Also mentioned in the VC++ Blog. I think we will start seeing more Ribbon apps in the future.CannotResolveSymbol said:
WordPad is actually an MFC sample app (the source code ships as an example in Visual Studio). The latest version of MFC (the one that came along with the TR1 additions for C++) comes with a version of Wordpad that uses the ribbon; maybe this means that the new UI components (ribbon and such) are going to be available for third parties to use, too.tfraser said:*snip*
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@CannotResolveSymbolCannotResolveSymbol said:
WordPad is actually an MFC sample app (the source code ships as an example in Visual Studio). The latest version of MFC (the one that came along with the TR1 additions for C++) comes with a version of Wordpad that uses the ribbon; maybe this means that the new UI components (ribbon and such) are going to be available for third parties to use, too.tfraser said:*snip*
you work in WIndows 7 team?
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Making the windows orb glow properly seems so obvious now..
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So instead of keeping Paint an easy to use application they're moving it closer to Photoshop?
Who benefits from this? The people who can use Photoshop will use photoshop. The people who can't won't be able to use either. Seems like a bad design decision if you ask me.
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you have try Paint.net?ManipUni said:So instead of keeping Paint an easy to use application they're moving it closer to Photoshop?
Who benefits from this? The people who can use Photoshop will use photoshop. The people who can't won't be able to use either. Seems like a bad design decision if you ask me.
The new version looks absolutely awful. Almost as bad a Gimp.
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Because paint, as it is today, is useful or used by anyone? Really?ManipUni said:So instead of keeping Paint an easy to use application they're moving it closer to Photoshop?
Who benefits from this? The people who can use Photoshop will use photoshop. The people who can't won't be able to use either. Seems like a bad design decision if you ask me.
The new version looks absolutely awful. Almost as bad a Gimp.
Paint is a toy. It doesn't do ANYTHING that users really want to do. Most people don't need an application as big and complex as Photoshop. But NO ONE needs an application with the limited features of Paint. I'm assuming the new Paint will have a sane set of features, which means it will have a lot more than Paint, and a lot less than Photoshop. -
Yes.wkempf said:
Because paint, as it is today, is useful or used by anyone? Really?ManipUni said:*snip*
Paint is a toy. It doesn't do ANYTHING that users really want to do. Most people don't need an application as big and complex as Photoshop. But NO ONE needs an application with the limited features of Paint. I'm assuming the new Paint will have a sane set of features, which means it will have a lot more than Paint, and a lot less than Photoshop.
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Paint is very useful, to me. I use it mostly to crop and mark screenshots, and it does it very well. I have Paint.net, but the 3-4 second startup time makes it totally annoying to use. Simple tasks call for simple tools. Simple and FAST tools. I hope that doesn't change.wkempf said:
Because paint, as it is today, is useful or used by anyone? Really?ManipUni said:*snip*
Paint is a toy. It doesn't do ANYTHING that users really want to do. Most people don't need an application as big and complex as Photoshop. But NO ONE needs an application with the limited features of Paint. I'm assuming the new Paint will have a sane set of features, which means it will have a lot more than Paint, and a lot less than Photoshop. -
paint.net start up??Yggdrasil said:
Paint is very useful, to me. I use it mostly to crop and mark screenshots, and it does it very well. I have Paint.net, but the 3-4 second startup time makes it totally annoying to use. Simple tasks call for simple tools. Simple and FAST tools. I hope that doesn't change.wkempf said:*snip*
1 max 1,5 sec to start up
Photoshop in my PC start up in 3 sec.
what is your hardware?
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For cropping screenshots, wouldn't it be easiest to just use the Snipping Tool? Or for an already made screenshot, the cropping tools in Windows Photo Gallery?Yggdrasil said:
Paint is very useful, to me. I use it mostly to crop and mark screenshots, and it does it very well. I have Paint.net, but the 3-4 second startup time makes it totally annoying to use. Simple tasks call for simple tools. Simple and FAST tools. I hope that doesn't change.wkempf said:*snip* -
Most people would agree that paint is a pretty useless tool in Windows, it certainly should be updated to be more useful. Theres no reason the app has to stay in the 90s..
People actually used to pirate photoshop because they wanted acceptable support for image basics like cropping and resizing, as well as optimization of output images. Theres lots of free software now like paint.net that just make paint completely irrelevent. -

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