Well, get used to ​Ultimate/​Enterprise/​Business/etc

Every indication so far is that MS will stick to its incredibly consumer-unfriendly practice of the ridiculous number of Windows versions.  Cripes MS simply can't learn from its mistakes, can it?

http://www.istartedsomething.com/

Truly pathetic.

..or listen to its supporters...

yes azure = one more version - maybe with multiple tiers


windows +
windows.com
all your worrys
will be gone

jamie said:

..or listen to its supporters...

yes azure = one more version - maybe with multiple tiers


windows +
windows.com
all your worrys
will be gone

Sven Groot said:

jamie said:

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Azure is a server platform. As a consumer you'll probably never see it.

jamie said:

Sven Groot said:

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no we will see it.  as thats what ms talks about

tech stuff

Jobs talks about the thing - then a few minutes on tech
(like go to this site and read)

MS is the one that has no - main - layer
so they talk plumbing too much

*yes this is c9 - but it is true.  apple doesnt "talk" about tech.

they talk about what you can now do
(devs? click here)

ms=  plumbing + stock corp talk.  thats ms news (except for what we get from enthusiasts - that ms hates)

i do love steveb.. but really ... i hate to say it... he is the problem... not for running things (although maybe) but just for sheer lack of... taste, gumption, feel, heart....

the things you cannot measure
thats why everyone is worried about the other steves health - he IS apple...

ok end rant about no creative maverick in drivers seat at ms

Sven Groot said:

jamie said:

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They talk about tech stuff at a conference for developers (PDC) and on a site for developers (C9)? How strange.

EDIT: Professional Developers Conference.

intelman said:

Sven Groot said:

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Jamie just doesn't get that...

But anyways, these multiple windows versions are just a dumb idea. I am sure many people at Microsoft understand this as well... Oh well.

XPs system was fine. Pro/Home. Why is there need for more? Can anyone actually quantify that?

If you take the time to understand what Azure is then you'll realize what your saying is a load of crock! Azure completes the story for an OS in the cloud. What it accomplishes is to create an OS in the cloud for us developers and enterprises to build solutions on. Much like windows did for desktops, Azure will do for the cloud!

As a developer that builds web applications all we need to now do is build our application and then click a button (minor configuration) and it scales to the web. We don't need to worry about setting up several web servers, and appserver, a database server, scalling, load balancing, etc Azure is the kernel OS that will manage all this for us. Ofcourse we have full control of the config parameters if we so choose BUT it takes alot of the pain of building scalable cloud applications away.

Building a Twitter or Digg on Azure is now dead simple!

As for the argument of too many flavours of OS's, Window's 7 will go along ways to fix that problem BUT the truth is trying to create  a single flavour of OS for everyone is just impossible. A device OS is completely different to a Desktop OS which is completely different to a Server OS, you can't expect to have one flavour of OS that will equally do justice to all 3 different scenarios.

Azure rulez!

LiquidBoy said:

If you take the time to understand what Azure is then you'll realize what your saying is a load of crock! Azure completes the story for an OS in the cloud. What it accomplishes is to create an OS in the cloud for us developers and enterprises to build solutions on. Much like windows did for desktops, Azure will do for the cloud!

As a developer that builds web applications all we need to now do is build our application and then click a button (minor configuration) and it scales to the web. We don't need to worry about setting up several web servers, and appserver, a database server, scalling, load balancing, etc Azure is the kernel OS that will manage all this for us. Ofcourse we have full control of the config parameters if we so choose BUT it takes alot of the pain of building scalable cloud applications away.

Building a Twitter or Digg on Azure is now dead simple!

As for the argument of too many flavours of OS's, Window's 7 will go along ways to fix that problem BUT the truth is trying to create  a single flavour of OS for everyone is just impossible. A device OS is completely different to a Desktop OS which is completely different to a Server OS, you can't expect to have one flavour of OS that will equally do justice to all 3 different scenarios.

Azure rulez!

jamie said:

LiquidBoy said:

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lets check the numbers in a month - to see if this is indeed the crock i hope it is


1 dollar on google/ apple rising at ms expence    - mesh? azure? zune?

4 weeks

*although win7 could still be a game changer... tomorrow

There is no way it will fail, Azure will underpin all of MS's online applications. It will succeed no matter what! Revenue will be channeled into it by sheer association to there flagship products.

The new applications that are built ontop of it from partners and developers are a value add. Me personally I would move all my servers and websites to Azure in an instant (I need to get my hands on CTP bits first).

ps. Alot of the millions of .net developers out there will be enticed to deploy there asp.net/web applications to Azure purely because all you need to do is click a couple of buttons. You get a huge amount of space and bandwidth for free upfront, and if what you build grows then chances are it will make money after which you'll probably need to start paying for using Azure.

No .... MS have a good thing going here... Alot of MS developers will find it very inviting!

LiquidBoy said:

jamie said:

*snip*

There is no way it will fail, Azure will underpin all of MS's online applications. It will succeed no matter what! Revenue will be channeled into it by sheer association to there flagship products.

The new applications that are built ontop of it from partners and developers are a value add. Me personally I would move all my servers and websites to Azure in an instant (I need to get my hands on CTP bits first).

ps. Alot of the millions of .net developers out there will be enticed to deploy there asp.net/web applications to Azure purely because all you need to do is click a couple of buttons. You get a huge amount of space and bandwidth for free upfront, and if what you build grows then chances are it will make money after which you'll probably need to start paying for using Azure.

No .... MS have a good thing going here... Alot of MS developers will find it very inviting!

jamie said:

LiquidBoy said:

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ok one post shop icon "boy" ...

im still wary  ...and confused


tomorrow,,,

PerfectPhase said:

jamie said:

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Well put it this way, the project I'm currently working, if we host in a datacenter, will need

1 x iSCSI SAN        £20K
1 x Blade Center   £3K
10 x Blades            £15K
10 x Win2K8          £6K
2 x SQL 2008         £20K
Tape Backup        £4K
Network Load Balancer...
Firewalls...
Data Center Rack Space etc...

Basicly it looks like Azure provides most of that for me, and I get to pay for only what I use.  If I need more then I click an option in the web portal, if I need less then I just reduce what I'm using and pay less per month.  I will be getting hold of the CTP SDK as soon as I can lay my hands on it.

This for me is far more intreasting than than windows 7 from a work point of view.