1.  I have certain USB keys that when I try to mount them they wont mount.  They are formated for Fat 32, they work in PC/OS, Leopard and in Win Vista and Win XP but Windows 7 doesnt pick up the formatting.

2.  It doesnt happen often but once in awhile my wireless connection will just drop. stay off for a few seconds and reconnect.  This behavior doesnt happen in PC/OS, Leopard and in Win Vista and Win XP

3.  Home Group will not pick up my PC/OS machines, Win XP, Win Vista or leopard will just fine.  Not Windows 7

4.  My beloved Sun keyboard is a no go with Win 7.

Besides these gripes, Im surprised.  of course I wont use it as my default due to Genuine Advantage and activation but for those that love Windows and hate Linux or the Mac, you guys should be happy.

jamie said:

http://blogs.computerworld.com/will_the_user_interface_be_the_downfall_of_microsoft

jamie said:

http://blogs.computerworld.com/will_the_user_interface_be_the_downfall_of_microsoft

Dodo said:

jamie said:

*snip*

I'm all for options. Implement both interfaces. If you upgraded, make the old the default, but tell the user there's a new(better) one he/she might want to try out and see, being always able to go back. If you installed it anew, use the new interface for default, but provide an option in the settings.

jamie said:

http://blogs.computerworld.com/will_the_user_interface_be_the_downfall_of_microsoft

brian.shapiro said:

jamie said:

*snip*

I think he has it backwards though. Its the techies who are complaining about Office 2007 not the non-techies.  Or at least people who are intermediate techies, who aren't novice users but think they know enough about computers to talk about them... novice users will prefer Office 2007 and Window 7.

Although not you Jamie, its usually the same people who complain about the lack of an up one folder button, most of these people just don't like changes.

If you look at the comment section there you'll see someone praise how there are very little changes in GNOME from release to release. Novice users wouldn't use GNOME---in fact they're more likely to take a jump where they have to do even more relearning--to MacOS

If you mean "dont like change as in Coke - to New Coke"  youd be correct.

I have mostly the newest app of every program i use - and more often than not prefer the newest version over the old ones. (with the exeption of most new MS apps (expression, ie7/8, )

as for office ive always said i liked the ribbon - but ALWAYS said they should have left file edit ... old menus as an option

Its the burn down the mission approach that turns me off.

jamie said:

brian.shapiro said:

*snip*

If you mean "dont like change as in Coke - to New Coke"  youd be correct.

I have mostly the newest app of every program i use - and more often than not prefer the newest version over the old ones. (with the exeption of most new MS apps (expression, ie7/8, )

as for office ive always said i liked the ribbon - but ALWAYS said they should have left file edit ... old menus as an option

Its the burn down the mission approach that turns me off.

brian.shapiro said:

jamie said:

*snip*

I think he has it backwards though. Its the techies who are complaining about Office 2007 not the non-techies.  Or at least people who are intermediate techies, who aren't novice users but think they know enough about computers to talk about them... novice users will prefer Office 2007 and Window 7.

Although not you Jamie, its usually the same people who complain about the lack of an up one folder button, most of these people just don't like changes.

If you look at the comment section there you'll see someone praise how there are very little changes in GNOME from release to release. Novice users wouldn't use GNOME---in fact they're more likely to take a jump where they have to do even more relearning--to MacOS

jamie said:

brian.shapiro said:

*snip*

If you mean "dont like change as in Coke - to New Coke"  youd be correct.

I have mostly the newest app of every program i use - and more often than not prefer the newest version over the old ones. (with the exeption of most new MS apps (expression, ie7/8, )

as for office ive always said i liked the ribbon - but ALWAYS said they should have left file edit ... old menus as an option

Its the burn down the mission approach that turns me off.

jamie said:

Dodo said:

*snip*

well have a new one as default - but support the 15 year old too as an option

Quickbooks 09 wouldnt load on torys laptop vista - so last night i put the factory xp media center disc back in and loaded it back how it was.

Im sorry to say that i love that OS - better than vista , better than 7. Its on the network (which it hasnt been for 2 years) i used UP about 50 times while loading all the apps - all of which had no problems.

the control panel is better.  the explorer is better. got the cool black media player tuner - Icons in the startmenu are easier to "know" without reading.  All programs flyout i prefer.

i basically think ive come to realization that - i really dont like anything at all about V / 7

I might load it back on every machine in the house and get my network, scanner, games, photostory, movie maker back

ps - good luck with the office closures and layoffs Steve!

corona_coder said:

jamie said:

*snip*

Try gNewSense.  Why spen $1,000.00 on something you dont like.  OpenOffice beats Office, The Gimp now beats Photoshop and there is tons of free software to be had and you can modify it should you desire too.  Dont give in to Redmond Jamie.  Its your computer, not Microsofts.  Arent you tired of being spied on?  Spending a fortune on legacy software?  Im sure you are tired of viruses and blue screens.  If Rory Blythe can change so can you.

jamie said:

corona_coder said:

*snip*

the gimp ...  better than photoshop.    lol

its none of those reasons.  Im tired of trying to unscrew the training wheels constantly being screwed to my 10 speed.

jamie said:

brian.shapiro said:

*snip*

If you mean "dont like change as in Coke - to New Coke"  youd be correct.

I have mostly the newest app of every program i use - and more often than not prefer the newest version over the old ones. (with the exeption of most new MS apps (expression, ie7/8, )

as for office ive always said i liked the ribbon - but ALWAYS said they should have left file edit ... old menus as an option

Its the burn down the mission approach that turns me off.

jamie said:

corona_coder said:

*snip*

the gimp ...  better than photoshop.    lol

its none of those reasons.  Im tired of trying to unscrew the training wheels constantly being screwed to my 10 speed.

jamie said:

brian.shapiro said:

*snip*

If you mean "dont like change as in Coke - to New Coke"  youd be correct.

I have mostly the newest app of every program i use - and more often than not prefer the newest version over the old ones. (with the exeption of most new MS apps (expression, ie7/8, )

as for office ive always said i liked the ribbon - but ALWAYS said they should have left file edit ... old menus as an option

Its the burn down the mission approach that turns me off.

Its the burn down the mission approach that turns me off.

littleguru said:

jamie said:

*snip*

Like in Coke Zero? I went back to XP also a while ago... just in the VM but I did it because I had to support stuff. Man was it hard to find stuff. I'm so used to my desktop search now.

Also, if I speak with my grand parents they complain about the new phones that are available in this world, like mobile phones and stuff. So complicated etc. Take my cousin with 10 years. She plays with them and has no issues at all... who's wrong?

Don't get me wrong: change isn't appropriate all the time. But not changing / improving / enhancing / removing / etc. means to stand still, which in the end means to fall back because everyone else marches forward. Perhaps an intermediate mode where you get a migration guide, which video tutorials or something would help?

brian.shapiro said:

littleguru said:

*snip*

littleguru,

I think a lot of cellphone interfaces are more complicated than they should be, and a lot of users simply accept that because they're good with technology.

On the other hand, all of this is easy to learn and use if you're in the right frame of mind, people who are intimidated by technology just have trouble learning it.

littleguru said:

brian.shapiro said:

*snip*

... lucky for all these 10+ years old that they learn it with ease I hear more often parents complaining about youngsters using the phones too much (sending too many short messages and phoning) and switching between devices too often -- even - now it comes - WANTING them to buy another brand WITH another UI experience because it is in and cool and all the cool friends have it... and picking up the new UI within minutes.

My question is the following: how much about the complaining is because people are getting old and don't want change and how much is really the issue because of the a possibly broken UI?

Note: I'm all for simple UX and I don't want to insult here someone!

brian.shapiro said:

littleguru said:

*snip*

Yea, 10 year olds arent intimidated by learning, that's why they learn it with ease.

I learn technology with ease also. But the issue for me isn't how easy I'm learning it, its the experience using it. It's like you can understand a book with very poor writing but still think it should be written better Or being able to navigate a very bad website design, but think it should be designed better

corona_coder said:

brian.shapiro said:

*snip*

And the Windows 7 and Windows Mobile experience suck.  Why do you think Microsoft has such a hard time.  Its not only because their coders couldnt code themselves out of wet paper bags its because the experience on Windows sucks.  windows, you have viruses, blue screens, red screens etc.  You have every malicious pice of software working against you and you must have 10 year olds designing the interface. 

Its no longer a Windows world.  Long live the Mac, Linux, iPhone, Android and webOS.

corona_coder said:

brian.shapiro said:

*snip*

And the Windows 7 and Windows Mobile experience suck.  Why do you think Microsoft has such a hard time.  Its not only because their coders couldnt code themselves out of wet paper bags its because the experience on Windows sucks.  windows, you have viruses, blue screens, red screens etc.  You have every malicious pice of software working against you and you must have 10 year olds designing the interface. 

Its no longer a Windows world.  Long live the Mac, Linux, iPhone, Android and webOS.

corona_coder said:

brian.shapiro said:

*snip*

And the Windows 7 and Windows Mobile experience suck.  Why do you think Microsoft has such a hard time.  Its not only because their coders couldnt code themselves out of wet paper bags its because the experience on Windows sucks.  windows, you have viruses, blue screens, red screens etc.  You have every malicious pice of software working against you and you must have 10 year olds designing the interface. 

Its no longer a Windows world.  Long live the Mac, Linux, iPhone, Android and webOS.

corona_coder said:

brian.shapiro said:

*snip*

And the Windows 7 and Windows Mobile experience suck.  Why do you think Microsoft has such a hard time.  Its not only because their coders couldnt code themselves out of wet paper bags its because the experience on Windows sucks.  windows, you have viruses, blue screens, red screens etc.  You have every malicious pice of software working against you and you must have 10 year olds designing the interface. 

Its no longer a Windows world.  Long live the Mac, Linux, iPhone, Android and webOS.

corona_coder said:

brian.shapiro said:

*snip*

And the Windows 7 and Windows Mobile experience suck.  Why do you think Microsoft has such a hard time.  Its not only because their coders couldnt code themselves out of wet paper bags its because the experience on Windows sucks.  windows, you have viruses, blue screens, red screens etc.  You have every malicious pice of software working against you and you must have 10 year olds designing the interface. 

Its no longer a Windows world.  Long live the Mac, Linux, iPhone, Android and webOS.

corona_coder said:

brian.shapiro said:

*snip*

And the Windows 7 and Windows Mobile experience suck.  Why do you think Microsoft has such a hard time.  Its not only because their coders couldnt code themselves out of wet paper bags its because the experience on Windows sucks.  windows, you have viruses, blue screens, red screens etc.  You have every malicious pice of software working against you and you must have 10 year olds designing the interface. 

Its no longer a Windows world.  Long live the Mac, Linux, iPhone, Android and webOS.

fknight said:

corona_coder said:

*snip*

Proprietary non-open standards are okay when they're from Apple, then?

Incidentally, I haven't seen a fracking blue screen since Windows 2000.   Why don't you just give up?  It's obvious you haven't even seen a Windows box since around 1998, which you probably assembled from parts you found in a dumpster.

I won't bother to ask you to prove that Microsoft is OMFG SPYING ON ME when I use Windows because you'll just ignore the question and hope people forget you made the claim.  

Please, can't you come up with something NEW other than "Microsoft is spying"  and "OMG bluescreens!"  You look fracking stupid.

It is because of people like you that whenever I'm asked (very, very rarely) about Linux, I tell them to steer clear of it because the only help they will get is from a bunch of assholes who haven't gotten past age 15.

littleguru said:

jamie said:

*snip*

Like in Coke Zero? I went back to XP also a while ago... just in the VM but I did it because I had to support stuff. Man was it hard to find stuff. I'm so used to my desktop search now.

Also, if I speak with my grand parents they complain about the new phones that are available in this world, like mobile phones and stuff. So complicated etc. Take my cousin with 10 years. She plays with them and has no issues at all... who's wrong?

Don't get me wrong: change isn't appropriate all the time. But not changing / improving / enhancing / removing / etc. means to stand still, which in the end means to fall back because everyone else marches forward. Perhaps an intermediate mode where you get a migration guide, which video tutorials or something would help?

littleguru said:

corona_coder said:

*snip*

And Linux, OSX have kernel panics... so what?

Mac OSX is also more and more in the needs of AV software - just wait for it. Apple already has already AV sofware listed on their website. Once Linux becomes (if ever) a main stream OS it is also in the need for a AVs. Btw. at the security class at univ we only "hacked" and "infected" UNIX based OSes. Since then all the stuff that you, corona, are saying, about security in UNIX seems so ridiculous to me. It's as infectable as everything else... as long as you run a software that has bugs a backdoor might probably exist.

With UAC activated in Windows Vista/7 you can do exactly as much as if you crack a UNIX system open under a normal user account...

corona_coder said:

littleguru said:

*snip*

All the AV software that exists for Linux and Mac OS X is to protect WINDOWS users from ge3tting mail sent through mail servers that run OS X and GNU/Linux.  Linux and Mac OS X are literally IMMUNE to viruses and Malware.

(Oooh, I just wrote a Linux trojan )

corona_coder said:

fknight said:

*snip*

When you use a Windows box and you activate, thats giving Microsoft a door to your computer.  When you do automatic upadtes Microsoft can harvest anything out of your system that they want.  Why do you think updating takes so long on Windows?  Microsofts data digging.  When you upgrade your gNewSense PC its almost instant.  There is no long periods to see "whats on your computer"  Does Apple have activation schemes?  Even when people are hacking their OS everyday.  Does Linux?  No.  Thats because Microsoft is cahooting with the government.  Barack Obama knows what you are doing everyday of your lives because of your usage of Windows Vista and soon the high dollar replacement Windows 7.

corona_coder said:

littleguru said:

*snip*

All the AV software that exists for Linux and Mac OS X is to protect WINDOWS users from ge3tting mail sent through mail servers that run OS X and GNU/Linux.  Linux and Mac OS X are literally IMMUNE to viruses and Malware.

Erisan said:

Windows 7 has worked pretty ok on my computer. Actually the only problem has been that Windows doesn't recognize my monitor and therefore the resolution is really bad and fonts looks awful. Performance is ok (AMD64 3200+ 2GHz, 1G RAM). I'm pretty sure that I'm going to buy Windows 7.

Well, must admit there's tons of features and flexibility that I miss (or can't be without) from Linux so I couldn't consider use Windows 7 as my main OS.

corona_coder said:

littleguru said:

*snip*

All the AV software that exists for Linux and Mac OS X is to protect WINDOWS users from ge3tting mail sent through mail servers that run OS X and GNU/Linux.  Linux and Mac OS X are literally IMMUNE to viruses and Malware.

We're almost but not quite out of the long shadow of Longhorn...

joechung said:

One gripe I have heard about Windows 7 is from a user who is (more or less) satisfied with Windows Vista and has a strong enough PC not to have performance issues with it.  His complaint was that it wasn't "different" enough from Vista to warrant upgrading. To him, it felt more like a service pack than a new Windows version. This attitude is reflected in the Windows team's rather baffling decision to label Windows 7 version 6.1, and one can't help but wonder if Windows 7 is what Windows Vista "should have been" two years ago.

We're almost but not quite out of the long shadow of Longhorn...

Charles said:

Erisan said:

*snip*

You probably just need to install a display adapter driver for your device. Windows 7 beta does not ship with all known drivers so your system is using the generic class driver so you can see pixel colonies on your screen at a default resolution... You could try to install the Vista version of the driver for your display. Could very well work...

C

joechung said:

One gripe I have heard about Windows 7 is from a user who is (more or less) satisfied with Windows Vista and has a strong enough PC not to have performance issues with it.  His complaint was that it wasn't "different" enough from Vista to warrant upgrading. To him, it felt more like a service pack than a new Windows version. This attitude is reflected in the Windows team's rather baffling decision to label Windows 7 version 6.1, and one can't help but wonder if Windows 7 is what Windows Vista "should have been" two years ago.

We're almost but not quite out of the long shadow of Longhorn...

Erisan said:

Charles said:

*snip*

Yes the driver worked well. "Problem" was too strong word I used. The monitor was the only device that wasn't recognized "out of the box".

Sabot said:

I'm I right in assuming that Vista drivers are cool for use with Windows 7?

Also, I believe nothing in the technology space is free, somehow someone pays. With Linux I paid some good bucks on support but the software cost me little, yep I could have researched the answer myself but then the cost would have been my time and I'm not into learning commands that much. With Windows, in-effect the support was paid upfront so you could argue that they balance out in the end just chose which you prefer as ultimately the choice of OS is down to preference.

Erisan said:

Sabot said:

*snip*

Yes, as far as i have heard most of vista drivers should work on Windows 7. I have only experience with one driver and it worked ok.

corona_coder said:

fknight said:

*snip*

When you use a Windows box and you activate, thats giving Microsoft a door to your computer.  When you do automatic upadtes Microsoft can harvest anything out of your system that they want.  Why do you think updating takes so long on Windows?  Microsofts data digging.  When you upgrade your gNewSense PC its almost instant.  There is no long periods to see "whats on your computer"  Does Apple have activation schemes?  Even when people are hacking their OS everyday.  Does Linux?  No.  Thats because Microsoft is cahooting with the government.  Barack Obama knows what you are doing everyday of your lives because of your usage of Windows Vista and soon the high dollar replacement Windows 7.

fknight said:

corona_coder said:

*snip*

So, Windows Update being "slow" is proof that Microsoft is spying on me and data harvesting and that Barack Obama is interested in this information?  With your evidentiary research skills, I guarantee you couldn't prove that water is wet if your life depended on it.  

I don't know what the hell your problem is, or what the problem is with the rest of you people who advocate Linux that act like you.  You seriously have an emotional problem that needs to be checked out.  You use an operating system and then go on the Internet pissed off that other people are using a different one.  Your ilk accuses people who don't think Microsoft is Satan as being paid shills for Microsoft because for some reason you have it stuck in your little brain that "no one can possibly use a Microsoft product without it having problems" so naturally you beleive that people who don't have a problem with Windows are being paid by Microsoft.  

Furthermore, you and others like you refer to people who don't use Linux (and in your particular case, your preferred distribution) as "stupid", "trained sheep", "shills", and "people who shouldn't be allowed near a computer."  You're like fracking 9/11 Truthers who believe Dick Cheney used a remote control to take down the Twin Towers.

You make me sick and it sickens me even more that technical "journals" and tech media take you 12 year olds seriously because it gets them web hits.  

It is sick.  You need help.  You have a mental problem.  A fracking computer program is a religion to you.  You have a serious problem and you need to have it looked at by a trained therapist, as well as the rest of your little fan club/religious cult over a fracking computer program.  

Sabot said:

I'm I right in assuming that Vista drivers are cool for use with Windows 7?

Also, I believe nothing in the technology space is free, somehow someone pays. With Linux I paid some good bucks on support but the software cost me little, yep I could have researched the answer myself but then the cost would have been my time and I'm not into learning commands that much. With Windows, in-effect the support was paid upfront so you could argue that they balance out in the end just chose which you prefer as ultimately the choice of OS is down to preference.

fknight said:

corona_coder said:

*snip*

So, Windows Update being "slow" is proof that Microsoft is spying on me and data harvesting and that Barack Obama is interested in this information?  With your evidentiary research skills, I guarantee you couldn't prove that water is wet if your life depended on it.  

I don't know what the hell your problem is, or what the problem is with the rest of you people who advocate Linux that act like you.  You seriously have an emotional problem that needs to be checked out.  You use an operating system and then go on the Internet pissed off that other people are using a different one.  Your ilk accuses people who don't think Microsoft is Satan as being paid shills for Microsoft because for some reason you have it stuck in your little brain that "no one can possibly use a Microsoft product without it having problems" so naturally you beleive that people who don't have a problem with Windows are being paid by Microsoft.  

Furthermore, you and others like you refer to people who don't use Linux (and in your particular case, your preferred distribution) as "stupid", "trained sheep", "shills", and "people who shouldn't be allowed near a computer."  You're like fracking 9/11 Truthers who believe Dick Cheney used a remote control to take down the Twin Towers.

You make me sick and it sickens me even more that technical "journals" and tech media take you 12 year olds seriously because it gets them web hits.  

It is sick.  You need help.  You have a mental problem.  A fracking computer program is a religion to you.  You have a serious problem and you need to have it looked at by a trained therapist, as well as the rest of your little fan club/religious cult over a fracking computer program.  

fknight said:

corona_coder said:

*snip*

Proprietary non-open standards are okay when they're from Apple, then?

Incidentally, I haven't seen a fracking blue screen since Windows 2000.   Why don't you just give up?  It's obvious you haven't even seen a Windows box since around 1998, which you probably assembled from parts you found in a dumpster.

I won't bother to ask you to prove that Microsoft is OMFG SPYING ON ME when I use Windows because you'll just ignore the question and hope people forget you made the claim.  

Please, can't you come up with something NEW other than "Microsoft is spying"  and "OMG bluescreens!"  You look fracking stupid.

It is because of people like you that whenever I'm asked (very, very rarely) about Linux, I tell them to steer clear of it because the only help they will get is from a bunch of assholes who haven't gotten past age 15.

OnlyJack said:

fknight said:

*snip*

"It is sick.  You need help.  You have a mental problem.  A fracking computer program is a religion to you.  You have a serious problem and you need to have it looked at by a trained therapist, as well as the rest of your little fan club/religious cult over a fracking computer program."

Thanks for stating the obvious. corona_coder is our forum pet, we laugh at him when he writes those silly, ridiculous, unbelievably stupid posts and forgive ignore him when he misbehaves. It's hilarious to see him keeping such a low profile on c9, he usually gets mad far more easily on other forums but it's thanks to his self-inflicted domestication that he became our funny little lovable pet. We love you Chris, keep rocking!

Duanerrr said:

OnlyJack said:

*snip*

That is an awesome post. I got a chuckle out it. I think the best part is the how some of the yours are missing the r.

I am rather dissapointed in corona_coder. Yes we can, and do use strong language, but his incessant, vituperitive, and unremittingly abusive post leaves me never ever wanting to respond to his thoughts in any forum.
 
I mean, diminishing RJ's mother? There really is no excuse for this!

The real funny thing, is just how easy it is for humans to notice other humans writing styles, and that is definitely corona_coder. If I were you Chris, I would delete that post.

English is full of such beauty, eloquence and expressiveness, even when displaying disapprobation. as you were in that post.

Till then, you are and will remain a pillock in my view.

Duanerrr said:

OnlyJack said:

*snip*

That is an awesome post. I got a chuckle out it. I think the best part is the how some of the yours are missing the r.

vesuvius said:

Duanerrr said:

*snip*

I am rather dissapointed in corona_coder. Yes we can, and do use strong language, but his incessant, vituperitive, and unremittingly abusive post leaves me never ever wanting to respond to his thoughts in any forum.
 
I mean, diminishing RJ's mother? There really is no excuse for this!

The real funny thing, is just how easy it is for humans to notice other humans writing styles, and that is definitely corona_coder. If I were you Chris, I would delete that post.

English is full of such beauty, eloquence and expressiveness, even when displaying disapprobation. as you were in that post.

Till then, you are and will remain a pillock in my view.

Bas said:

Duanerrr said:

*snip*

I love how angry and frustrated it sounds. It's like a child that just can't win and blows off steam by writing off his frustrations in his diary. Except of course that he made this public.

CKurt said:

jamie said:

*snip*

Here is the link fore Office 2003 style in Office 2007

http://on10.net/blogs/sarahintampa/Office-2007-quotLegacyquot-Mode/

figuerres said:

corona_coder said:

*snip*

wow that's rich.... so you do know that a *LOT* of viral / trojan stuff has been on UNIX boxes before.... there is ZERO proof it will not happen again.... try challenging your Linux pals to write one....

just that right now the fun is owning windows boxes...

give it time...