Apples beats estimates - MS cuts 5000 jobs

dazla-d said:

jamie said:

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The explanation is that market GROWTH for PC's has significantly slowed due to less money being available mainly in the consumer market.

Most, in fact nearly all, new PC's run Windows. Slowing of PC growth means slowing of Windows sales. Changes in a PRE-RELEASED version of Windows will have absolutely zero impact on Windows revenue, y'know?

And slowing of PC growth is only a factor, not the whole answer. But on the flipside, S&T growth increased - S&T is the products corporations buy to help them reduce costs and save money.

Duh.

jamie said:

vesuvius said:

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i think classic is in 7 somewhere  (cant find it again)

but its luna back to classic
vista back to luna back to classic
thats the one thats missing

jamie said:

dazla-d said:

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yes i guess that explains it.

if you ignore only 20% business adoption 

if you ignore uptake only on regular - pc unit (forced) adoption (not many willing upgrades)

and if you ignore the 4 articles I linked too.

duh


edit - sorry.  i really dont like fighting with 9ers.  just arguing with them

littleguru said:

jamie said:

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How many of them actually tried Vista? Seriously. I got so many people saying Vista sucked and they NEVER tried it.

dazla-d said:

jamie said:

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Business adoption and Windows revenue are not the same - most business don't buy new windows versions, they have the rights to use it within their volume agreements. Adoption and revenue are not the same, in the short term. Renewing agreements can be linked to revenue, but it is too early for Vista to have an impact there.

Check out the history as to how many people actually pay to upgrade Windows vs buy a new PC with the latest Windows on it. Very few, it's an edge case. Did you pay to upgrade to whatever you're running, or did you buy a new PC?

in terms of getting to be a classic user - why not go fish out a w9x PC off ebay and have lots of retro fun, huh

jamie said:

dazla-d said:

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re:  in terms of getting to be a classic user - why not go fish out a w9x PC off ebay and have lots of retro fun, huh

nah - i could just re-load WMC - tory has been going on about how glad she is its back


** im just wondering - how do you get to classic?  i know i tried it in 7  .. where did they move it?
again - i dont use classic - but where is it?  i saw it once.. i think

dazla-d said:

jamie said:

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So your argument is now distilled away from the initial points and into your UI fetish. Hmmm. Nuff said I guess.

I'll go back to ignoring your incessant edge case UI grumbles. Sorry, mistook this thread for something with analysis and proof points as opposed to a flamethrower.

Q.E.D.

jamie said:

dazla-d said:

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um no its not. i was just asking where is classic.  the rest stands.

dazla-d said:

jamie said:

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No the rest doesn't stand. Explain. I await the oracle of insight.

littleguru said:

jamie said:

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Could you elaborate on "couldn't get anything done"?

Microsoft needs to lower the price of Windows and Office.

I simply did not buy Office 2007 because "The Ultimate Steal" didn't work for me. They claim only one sale per household. My roommate got to the ultimate steal before I did. We have the same address... so Microsoft lost my sale.

Windows is too much money as well. We'll see how much we will have to pay for 3 years worth of upgrade. Vista = 5 years worth of upgrade for $319 still quite steep.

Lets face it, everyone wants ultimate because of the shadowcopying and un deleting.

Microsoft needs to make products that work, are attractive, fair priced, easy to obtain.

Alternatively, a decent office suite for 79 .
An Ultimate non Upgrade OS for 129.

999 Macbook or an 2000 dollar Macbook Pro, same price as what I paid for my Inspiron 1520....

That route is looking good now. I can't stand the plastic, poor quality of my Dell, can't afford these software upgrades. I will spend the money for something I believe makes more sense. Microsoft can't compete for my business right now.

jamie said:

littleguru said:

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pictue 8 machines - all with 3 monitors each - toolbars meticulously set up on each to all network drives .. apps installed ... TOTAL xp full cutomization.

He tried to do it on vista - a) couldnt b) was confused by it c) didnt like it d) ok - some printers didnt work.. but he could have left those machine xp. Did not like network changes mainly. Could not find his way around as fast as xp

his comments.

(ps - as i am known to post on c9 he says all the time "tell them this!  or tell them that!

so i do.

littleguru said:

intelman said:

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Do more people buy it just because it's cheaper? Would you buy it for 99$ instead of 391$? - and be honest.

littleguru said:

intelman said:

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Do more people buy it just because it's cheaper? Would you buy it for 99$ instead of 391$? - and be honest.

JeremyJ said:

jamie said:

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So it wasn't that he "couldn't get anything done", it was just that he didn't want to learn something new.
I see.