Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - So in '7 ready for your desktop? http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - So in '7 ready for your desktop? http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums en Tue, 21 May 2013 04:11:04 GMT Tue, 21 May 2013 04:11:04 GMT Rev9 62 -62 -1 Coffeehouse - So in '7 ready for your desktop? Been using '7 in a VM and on home machines and it all seems AOK ... so I've backup ... then ....

... taken the plundge ... gone over XP with '7 on my work laptop !!!

It's all good so far, stuff still works!

Anyone else feeling brave* ???

* - I'm kind of convinced that '7 is pretty mature and ready for the big time, so it's not really a 'brave' thing at all IMO.

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/454679-So-in-7-ready-for-your-desktop/f99b7e9d4c964333bfeb9deb00c7a7df#f99b7e9d4c964333bfeb9deb00c7a7df Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:14:19 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/454679-So-in-7-ready-for-your-desktop/f99b7e9d4c964333bfeb9deb00c7a7df#f99b7e9d4c964333bfeb9deb00c7a7df Christian Liensberger 62 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/littleguru/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - So in '7 ready for your desktop? I've also been running it as my main OS since the beta released.  My Vista install is on a separate, unhooked hard drive, so no chance of screwing it up, but I haven't had any major problems with 7...just the usual little glitches that come with beta software.

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spivonious said:
I've also been running it as my main OS since the beta released.  My Vista install is on a separate, unhooked hard drive, so no chance of screwing it up, but I haven't had any major problems with 7...just the usual little glitches that come with beta software.

Its all over my house now (except the home server). 

Its what Vista should have been I guess.

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I have tested development with the express editions and they are working great. There is no way this OS can fail, as it is quite polished now.

Being an admirer of ObjectDock, what do you think of the new taskbar? I know the start button still exists, but have things improved in general?

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vesuvius said:

I too have dual hard drives as a virtual machine is just underpants performance wise. You need a proper install to appreciate the OS.

I have tested development with the express editions and they are working great. There is no way this OS can fail, as it is quite polished now.

Being an admirer of ObjectDock, what do you think of the new taskbar? I know the start button still exists, but have things improved in general?

I love my ObjectDockPlus ... so much so I ditch the Taskbar and the Start button and created a whole bunch of tabs. I found I had loads more screen.

With '7 I find myself not missing the Dock so much, I don't know why? I'm not as organised perhaps it's too early so I'm still in 'rose-tinted glasses' mode. Hmmm, ask me that question again in afew weeks.

Yep I had a dual boot ... but the point I wanted to get across is that I'm not doing that any more. I only have one OS on my laptop and that is '7 !

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harumscarum said:
I created a VM last week but haven't looked at it since Sad
Man that is bad ... the water really is warm with '7 ... or at least I think so but then all my main stuff is MS based and that all works just fine, my other apps are delivered via Citrix and that all works so you could argue I'm not really taking big risks.

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I've also got it on one of my work desktops, won't be risking it on my primary machine because Vista x64 is doing perfectly well there and I don't need the hassle of beta issues when other things are going wrong! That said adding 7 to our AD went pretty smoothly, which was something I wouldn't have dared risking during the Vista betas. Only problem there is McAfee not supporting 7 yet, but I'm sure that will come in time.

Really, really looking forward to the release of both 7 and Server 2008 R2, especially if we can get DirectAccess working as described because that will make a lot of annoying headaches go away.

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AndyC said:
I've got it on my main Tablet PC and it's brilliant. Vista's tablet functionality was a big step up from XP and 7's is a massive step up from Vista. Shame N-trig haven't quite got the multi-touch drivers working smoothly yet, because I'm looking forward to trying that out properly.

I've also got it on one of my work desktops, won't be risking it on my primary machine because Vista x64 is doing perfectly well there and I don't need the hassle of beta issues when other things are going wrong! That said adding 7 to our AD went pretty smoothly, which was something I wouldn't have dared risking during the Vista betas. Only problem there is McAfee not supporting 7 yet, but I'm sure that will come in time.

Really, really looking forward to the release of both 7 and Server 2008 R2, especially if we can get DirectAccess working as described because that will make a lot of annoying headaches go away.
My work laptop is a HP tablet and '7 work better on it than Vista did, perhaps because of the Centrino Pro processor was working darn hard. However I wish I had a touch-screen instead of having to use the pen. My pen is on a bit of string! - nice Sad

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Sabot said:
AndyC said:
*snip*
My work laptop is a HP tablet and '7 work better on it than Vista did, perhaps because of the Centrino Pro processor was working darn hard. However I wish I had a touch-screen instead of having to use the pen. My pen is on a bit of string! - nice Sad
At least you've got a pen.  Win7 on my old M200 looks so good (without a pen) I've just had to stump up for a new one (not cheap either).

Damn that Windows 7 team.

(and no, the one in the battery compartment went a long time ago)

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So it's coming off... Maybe on the laptop...

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vesuvius said:

I too have dual hard drives as a virtual machine is just underpants performance wise. You need a proper install to appreciate the OS.

I have tested development with the express editions and they are working great. There is no way this OS can fail, as it is quite polished now.

Being an admirer of ObjectDock, what do you think of the new taskbar? I know the start button still exists, but have things improved in general?

Interesting you mention that the Start button is still there.  I find myself only using it for the search box inside and opening Control Panel.

It would be really nice if MS replaced the "Orb" with the search box, but I have a feeling that there would be a huge backlash.

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Minh said:
I had Win7 on the netbook... but Visual Studio 2008 won't install (need it for XNA)... My perfect programming environment is an internet cafe' and I don't mind programming on a tiny screen...

So it's coming off... Maybe on the laptop...
What's the problem with VS2k8? It installed fine on my Aspire One...

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vesuvius said:

I too have dual hard drives as a virtual machine is just underpants performance wise. You need a proper install to appreciate the OS.

I have tested development with the express editions and they are working great. There is no way this OS can fail, as it is quite polished now.

Being an admirer of ObjectDock, what do you think of the new taskbar? I know the start button still exists, but have things improved in general?

Take a look at this.

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PaoloM said:
vesuvius said:
*snip*
Take a look at this.
Excellent comparison of the Dock and the Taskbar.  Thanks for posting it, Paolo.

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7 is running fine on both my laptop and my desktop (depicted).

The desktop did have a driver failure during 7 install, but it appears to basically work. Still, it's a bit sad that "self-healing" doesn't really account for this. The most fundamental kind of healing, it would seem, would be to ensure all system files are present. But so far no big deal - it's only Sticky Notes that complains over a missing Ink dll.

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arunpv said:
I had bad experience with Windows 7- i installed it on my 9100 inspiron  Dell Laptop everything went well install SQL 2008 and VS 2008 works great and even faster. but, when i installed Cisco VPN Client i saw Blue screen of death. I had taken a system image before installing vpn client.


Your avatar is hella creepy.

But anyway it looks like my desktop is whats not ready for Windows 7, or something. Well the fact that I made a good faith attempt to install the thing only have to installer crash out near the beginning. Oh well.. it looks like I am "forced" to use Ubuntu and Windows XP for the foreseeable future!

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PaoloM said:
vesuvius said:
*snip*
Take a look at this.
That's a great article. Especially useful if you're not used to using OSX or Windows, since it explains the essential difference in window paradigms, and as a result, the way the Dock/Taskbar work.

One thing that keeps troubling me about the new taskbar is the move away from the notification area, to the taskbar. Okay, so messenger is now on the task bar. Fine, I regularly open my contact list, so I can imagine that having it there could be useful. But as the article states:

The new Taskbar may also at last provide a way for windowless applications to run without cluttering up the Notification Area. This is demonstrated by Windows Live Messenger. Closing all the Messenger windows doesn't remove the Taskbar icon; it stays there until you explicitly quit. WLM no longer needs to put itself in the Notification Area just to avoid exiting when the last window is closed. The old notification icon's menu is now provided by a jump list on the taskbar icon. This will in time allow software to stop cluttering the Notification Area—residence as a regular Taskbar button is now a viable option.


So, if I look at my notification area now, I have just Messenger, the WHS connector, and the power management/network/volume trinity there. But if I expand it to show the hidden icons, I see a whole bunch of stuff. AnyDVD, Dell QuickSet, Sidebar, Live Mesh, the Fingerprint Reader Suite... all stuff I want to have running in the background all the time, but I rarely interact with them. I just don't need to see those icons, that's why I hid them in the notification area. If Windows 7 is going to push always-running applications out of the notification area and onto the taskbar to avoid cluttering up the notification area, the result will be that the taskbar will get cluttered... which is worse, because now I'll be forced to look at a whole range of buttons that I'll never interact with, with no way to hide them.

How is Windows going to combat that problem? I'm really not looking forward to constantly having to look at that smug AnyDVD fox that does nothing but take up space on my taskbar.

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esoteric said:



7 is running fine on both my laptop and my desktop (depicted).

The desktop did have a driver failure during 7 install, but it appears to basically work. Still, it's a bit sad that "self-healing" doesn't really account for this. The most fundamental kind of healing, it would seem, would be to ensure all system files are present. But so far no big deal - it's only Sticky Notes that complains over a missing Ink dll.
Loaded on my primary workstation (pictured) and laptop. Beautiful. I'd take this beta over Vista any time. Even with SP1. Pay no attention to my crappy ATI Radeon x1650's.

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Bass said:
arunpv said:
*snip*
Your avatar is hella creepy.

But anyway it looks like my desktop is whats not ready for Windows 7, or something. Well the fact that I made a good faith attempt to install the thing only have to installer crash out near the beginning. Oh well.. it looks like I am "forced" to use Ubuntu and Windows XP for the foreseeable future!
Bass said:
Your avatar is hella creepy.


who's speaking... Smiley

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SlackmasterK said:
esoteric said:
*snip*
Loaded on my primary workstation (pictured) and laptop. Beautiful. I'd take this beta over Vista any time. Even with SP1. Pay no attention to my crappy ATI Radeon x1650's.
wow, 7.1 for calculations... does Win7 use the same experience index as Vista? what CPU do you have?

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Ion Todirel said:
SlackmasterK said:
*snip*
wow, 7.1 for calculations... does Win7 use the same experience index as Vista? what CPU do you have?
http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/01/19/engineering-the-windows-7-windows-experience-index.aspx

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Ion Todirel said:
SlackmasterK said:
*snip*
wow, 7.1 for calculations... does Win7 use the same experience index as Vista? what CPU do you have?
I am told it's the same as Vista up to 5.9 and 7 builds on top of that for new hardware... But I am told many things...

Standard boring old quad-core... Q6600 Kentsfield.    

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arunpv said:
I had bad experience with Windows 7- i installed it on my 9100 inspiron  Dell Laptop everything went well install SQL 2008 and VS 2008 works great and even faster. but, when i installed Cisco VPN Client i saw Blue screen of death. I had taken a system image before installing vpn client.


As for the VPN thing, install a Vista version and it will work just fine!

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Erisan said:
Never. It works very well and it is definely the best Windows I have ever used. It just feels way too restrictive and I can't do my work with it so it's "no-go".
Erisan, explain more about why you feel more restricted using '7? I would like to understand.

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Bas said:
PaoloM said:
*snip*


So, if I look at my notification area now, I have just Messenger, the WHS connector, and the power management/network/volume trinity there. But if I expand it to show the hidden icons, I see a whole bunch of stuff. AnyDVD, Dell QuickSet, Sidebar, Live Mesh, the Fingerprint Reader Suite... all stuff I want to have running in the background all the time, but I rarely interact with them. I just don't need to see those icons, that's why I hid them in the notification area. If Windows 7 is going to push always-running applications out of the notification area and onto the taskbar to avoid cluttering up the notification area, the result will be that the taskbar will get cluttered... which is worse, because now I'll be forced to look at a whole range of buttons that I'll never interact with, with no way to hide them.

How is Windows going to combat that problem? I'm really not looking forward to constantly having to look at that smug AnyDVD fox that does nothing but take up space on my taskbar.
A good point there. This decluttering can lead to more cluttering...

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Sabot said:
Erisan said:
*snip*
Erisan, explain more about why you feel more restricted using '7? I would like to understand.
I want to make clear that as in "normal use" I like Windows 7 a lot. It works fine (except my Radeon 9250 is not supported anymore) and I can do my developing work with it; test that multi-platform software compiles and works ok (using GTK+/Qt).

As a geek Linux gives me free hands to modify the whole system as I like it to be. For example I'm able to install Debian over the network and run Wayland/XOrg with my own XCB-based window manager on it. It's more like having fun and learn about computers and operating systems, discuss with developers about the code and undestand what is going on in projects.
To me Windows is a huge black box that I'm not able to modify in any sane/safe way.

I'm doing Linux developing as my full-time job so one could say I'm biased. Well... maybe I am Wink

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Bass said:
arunpv said:
*snip*
Your avatar is hella creepy.

But anyway it looks like my desktop is whats not ready for Windows 7, or something. Well the fact that I made a good faith attempt to install the thing only have to installer crash out near the beginning. Oh well.. it looks like I am "forced" to use Ubuntu and Windows XP for the foreseeable future!
It reminds me of the XP beta, I installed it on a Lenovo IdeaPad S10 just to see how it would respond, but I quickly saw that with Windows 7 I'm never going to look back....

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Erisan said:
Sabot said:
*snip*
I want to make clear that as in "normal use" I like Windows 7 a lot. It works fine (except my Radeon 9250 is not supported anymore) and I can do my developing work with it; test that multi-platform software compiles and works ok (using GTK+/Qt).

As a geek Linux gives me free hands to modify the whole system as I like it to be. For example I'm able to install Debian over the network and run Wayland/XOrg with my own XCB-based window manager on it. It's more like having fun and learn about computers and operating systems, discuss with developers about the code and undestand what is going on in projects.
To me Windows is a huge black box that I'm not able to modify in any sane/safe way.

I'm doing Linux developing as my full-time job so one could say I'm biased. Well... maybe I am Wink
Fair comment Erisan.

I often think that the different between Windows and Linux users & developers is good old fashion human preference.

For example, I'm happy to surrender control and let things happen on my behalf, why my friend Alan isn't, he needs to know what everything is doing , he needs to play with settings and install software and try to find the best combination of things. Alan does like to utterly control his computer and doesn't wish to wrestle with it. Fortunately Beer is more important than computers in our friendship.

Another Alan, Alan Cooper to be exact, wrote about this in his book about Developers, The Inmates are Running the Asylum, It's call the 'Jetway test' on page 94!

Google">http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=04cFCVXC_AUC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=alan+cooper+jetway&source=web&ots=jfwd-0r2jR&sig=ZBMhcJFy0qjYrbcSaVJKRxxIOiA&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA94,M1">Google Books has the page here. (Please note the Google Books doesn't work for me in IE8)

I have to say but perhaps it's an age thing, when I was younger I wanted to go into the cockpit so bad, now I don't care just want a comfy seat.

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eagle said:
Bass said:
*snip*
It reminds me of the XP beta, I installed it on a Lenovo IdeaPad S10 just to see how it would respond, but I quickly saw that with Windows 7 I'm never going to look back....
I'm with you on this one Eagle ... I ain't looking back! I'm just hoping it doesn't cost alot of money to upgrade.

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Sabot said:
eagle said:
*snip*
I'm with you on this one Eagle ... I ain't looking back! I'm just hoping it doesn't cost alot of money to upgrade.
I just moved over to Windows 7. I like it so far, only problem i've had is Chrome not working.

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Cyonix said:
Sabot said:
*snip*
I just moved over to Windows 7. I like it so far, only problem i've had is Chrome not working.
Yep you need to re-install Chrome if you've done the upgraded install as Chrome actually sits in your User Folder and not Program Files because Googles so smart they don't like to follow standards because they give some guff about working with user profiles ... so as it's in that folder Windows doesn't take any notice of it come upgrade time ... nice one Google very impressive.

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Sabot said:
Erisan said:
*snip*
Fair comment Erisan.

I often think that the different between Windows and Linux users & developers is good old fashion human preference.

For example, I'm happy to surrender control and let things happen on my behalf, why my friend Alan isn't, he needs to know what everything is doing , he needs to play with settings and install software and try to find the best combination of things. Alan does like to utterly control his computer and doesn't wish to wrestle with it. Fortunately Beer is more important than computers in our friendship.

Another Alan, Alan Cooper to be exact, wrote about this in his book about Developers, The Inmates are Running the Asylum, It's call the 'Jetway test' on page 94!

Google">http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=04cFCVXC_AUC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=alan+cooper+jetway&source=web&ots=jfwd-0r2jR&sig=ZBMhcJFy0qjYrbcSaVJKRxxIOiA&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA94,M1">Google Books has the page here. (Please note the Google Books doesn't work for me in IE8)

I have to say but perhaps it's an age thing, when I was younger I wanted to go into the cockpit so bad, now I don't care just want a comfy seat.
Oh, this is interesting. Just got finished testing out Ubuntu 8.10 a couple of weeks ago. Quite good once they fixed the drivers for my wireless card (Realtek 8187B Wireless USB LAN) in the kernel. That wasn't fixed in 8.04 LTS. But, my MP3 player (Sansa e280 and a 8 GB Clip) didn't like Unix line endings in the ID3 tags. My MP3-encoded songs wouldn't show up properly in the player no matter what I did, nor how I entered the tags. Spent two full days of my vacation working on it. Guess the developers still have some reverse engineering to do.

Finally, went back to Vista. Took me a day to switch back and lost none of my data. Clip works perfectly with my saved wma music.

I've switched OS's so often, as my hardware purchases have dictated, that I"ve gotten quite good at installation and configuration. I'm getting older, and I'm getting to the point where I want everything to just work. Tweaking is becoming a disease of some sorts (chuckle), but in this example to follow, it still helps to know what to do.

I do miss Novell Evolution's outgoing email filters. However, I've got a bought copy of Barca from PocoSystems that DOES have that feature. Problem is, it only is written for XP (and works fine there), but definitely not Vista (and soon you'll see why). There isn't any entry for Barca in the Default Programs list, but it does show up in the Start Menu after manually setting it in the Start Menu's Properties. When you go to the Options dialog box, there are two buttons for setting Barca as the default email client and the default news client. They dim when pressed, but upon subsequent runs of the email client, they are not dimmed, like the choice didn't take somewhere.

In the past, that was a problem with no resolution. Now I don't care so much.

One thing Vista/7 is moving toward is better application security, like Linux has, and I'm all for that. So, because of the blocks on writing anywhere in the Registry that Vista has, it was a bit of a trouble re-installing Barca (turn off UAC/reboot/install Barca as Administrator on an Administrator account with "XP sp2 compatibility flag" turned on/import my mail from Thunderbird & my contacts from ldif files/set Barca as default email client from within Barca/install mozex 1.9.9 on Firefox to get the mailto: tags working (that's Firefox's fault)/turn UAC back on/reboot).

Everything works fine now. I wouldn't have done this switch, but I did some research and there is a new beta being tested for Barca, which will greatly increase its Vista compatibility (please, please, please), among other features. But, Barca works the way I think, so the trouble is worth it.

Now, here's a question: Is there any way to see what's going on with how this program installs itself, like a network sniffer for installs? It would be interesting to see what's going on. I'm beta testing Windows 7, and by all accounts, it's far more stable that a beta has a right to be. I've heard of lots of you, and Paul Thurott too, using Windows 7 exclusively, even on your primary machines. That intrigues me. But, how would an upgrade install from Vista to Windows 7 damage Barca's (somewhat kludgy) Vista install?

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Cyonix said:
Sabot said:
*snip*
I just moved over to Windows 7. I like it so far, only problem i've had is Chrome not working.
That's strange.  Is there an error surfaced associated with Chrome? What's the message?
C

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Sabot said:
eagle said:
*snip*
I'm with you on this one Eagle ... I ain't looking back! I'm just hoping it doesn't cost alot of money to upgrade.
I got XP free, Vista free and with a few friends employed by MS, Im expecting 7 will cost from free to whatever MS employees pay.

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Charles said:
Cyonix said:
*snip*
That's strange.  Is there an error surfaced associated with Chrome? What's the message?
C
Chrome works on my Win 7 install with no issues.  The only issue I have with Chrome and Safari is that they dont show the multiple tabs open in the superbar like IE 7 does.

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Because he's been nagging me about it for months, I upgraded my son's machine from XP->Vista->Win7 Beta last week.

So far I've been pretty impressed, to be honest.  There have been a couple of glitches here and there (for instance back in September there was a period of time when some fairly popular games would blue-screen the machine), but in general Win7's been pretty solid.


Of course YMMV. I intentionally live on the utter bleeding edge of dogfooding and my machines are all backed up daily so if something goes wrong I won't lose too much work.

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Larry Osterman said:
I put 7 on my laptop sometime around the end of M1, I moved my development machine at the end of M2 and I moved my home machine at the end of M3 (every Monday morning I upgrade my laptop to the most recent build, every Wednesday morning I update my development machine to the most recent build and every Saturday I upgrade my home machine to the most recent stable build (as determined by the build lab)). I followed more-or-less the same upgrade cadence for Windows Vista


Because he's been nagging me about it for months, I upgraded my son's machine from XP->Vista->Win7 Beta last week.

So far I've been pretty impressed, to be honest.  There have been a couple of glitches here and there (for instance back in September there was a period of time when some fairly popular games would blue-screen the machine), but in general Win7's been pretty solid.


Of course YMMV. I intentionally live on the utter bleeding edge of dogfooding and my machines are all backed up daily so if something goes wrong I won't lose too much work.
My work desktop, home desktop and netbook are running the beta. My work laptop is running the most recent build of our dev branch.

Working in Vista (or XP, eww) feels just wrong now Smiley

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PaoloM said:
Larry Osterman said:
*snip*
My work desktop, home desktop and netbook are running the beta. My work laptop is running the most recent build of our dev branch.

Working in Vista (or XP, eww) feels just wrong now Smiley
xp - eww.

yes convice yourself of that - contrary to market numbers that show most prefer it

* to dream.... the impossible ..dream .... (music notes etc )

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jamie said:
PaoloM said:
*snip*
xp - eww.

yes convice yourself of that - contrary to market numbers that show most prefer it

* to dream.... the impossible ..dream .... (music notes etc )
You are of course entitled to your opinion, jamie.

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PaoloM said:
jamie said:
*snip*
You are of course entitled to your opinion, jamie.
thankyou.

but still - eww to describe your most popular product of all time?

my shoes - yes ewww

your shoes - not

but xp?  thats not an ewww

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jamie said:
PaoloM said:
*snip*
thankyou.

but still - eww to describe your most popular product of all time?

my shoes - yes ewww

your shoes - not

but xp?  thats not an ewww
Windows XP is a major Windows Vista and Windows 7 competitor, probably the biggest. Smiley

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jamie said:
PaoloM said:
*snip*
thankyou.

but still - eww to describe your most popular product of all time?

my shoes - yes ewww

your shoes - not

but xp?  thats not an ewww

jamie said:

xp - eww.

yes convice yourself of that - contrary to market numbers that show most prefer it

* to dream.... the impossible ..dream .... (music notes etc )



Most prefer XP? Why don't you wait until 7 comes out before making that call. First you liked Win 7 now you don't? You're more confusing than raymond. Unfortunately there's more to an operating system than an "UP" button.

Myself I'm running Windows 7 on my tablet, main desktop and Macbook. Very stable, very fast, kills Vista in terms of memory management and doesn't look all fisher price like xp.

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La Bomba said:
jamie said:
*snip*


Most prefer XP? Why don't you wait until 7 comes out before making that call. First you liked Win 7 now you don't? You're more confusing than raymond. Unfortunately there's more to an operating system than an "UP" button.

Myself I'm running Windows 7 on my tablet, main desktop and Macbook. Very stable, very fast, kills Vista in terms of memory management and doesn't look all fisher price like xp.

aw the old fisher price argument.

Ever watch Discovery Daily Planet?  I see XP on the scientist's machines they interview everyday. Thats product placement.  Of couse you see macs in things too - just not on the scientist's computers on discovery daily planet.

which in all cases ...are luna.

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jamie said:
La Bomba said:
*snip*
aw the old fisher price argument.

Ever watch Discovery Daily Planet?  I see XP on the scientist's machines they interview everyday. Thats product placement.  Of couse you see macs in things too - just not on the scientist's computers on discovery daily planet.

which in all cases ...are luna.
What the hell does discovery planet have to do with anything?

Give me a valid reason why XP is better than 7 besides lame crap like "UP" and some other minor squabbles you usually come up with.

You can't complain about UAC anymore, Win7 is a lot more user friendly than Vista.\

Jamie you're a 32-bit user in a 64-bit world, you are obsolete my friend. Quit playing with lego when you can play with real materials.

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La Bomba said:
jamie said:
*snip*
What the hell does discovery planet have to do with anything?

Give me a valid reason why XP is better than 7 besides lame crap like "UP" and some other minor squabbles you usually come up with.

You can't complain about UAC anymore, Win7 is a lot more user friendly than Vista.\

Jamie you're a 32-bit user in a 64-bit world, you are obsolete my friend. Quit playing with lego when you can play with real materials.
why should i give you a reason after posting that reason already?  multiple times. too many times.
you seriously dont know my reasons?  by now?  after 4-5 years? after re-iterating all of them after dismal ms layoffs and continuing market share loss - across most categories?


also - if you think i do not know how to work new things you are mistaken. i just do not put up with garbage - masquarading as new

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jamie said:
La Bomba said:
*snip*
why should i give you a reason after posting that reason already?  multiple times. too many times.
you seriously dont know my reasons?  by now?  after 4-5 years? after re-iterating all of them after dismal ms layoffs and continuing market share loss - across most categories?


also - if you think i do not know how to work new things you are mistaken. i just do not put up with garbage - masquarading as new
It just seems with even Linux users saying Win7 is great, the big technology columnists Mossberg, Pogue all saying positive things about Win7; it seems you are in the minority.

The word is Win7 is great, wake up and smell the coffee...so to speak Wink

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jamie said:
La Bomba said:
*snip*
why should i give you a reason after posting that reason already?  multiple times. too many times.
you seriously dont know my reasons?  by now?  after 4-5 years? after re-iterating all of them after dismal ms layoffs and continuing market share loss - across most categories?


also - if you think i do not know how to work new things you are mistaken. i just do not put up with garbage - masquarading as new
I usually read your reasons and then Sven's responses ripping them apart, and I'm not sure what to think. Big Smile

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La Bomba said:
jamie said:
*snip*
It just seems with even Linux users saying Win7 is great, the big technology columnists Mossberg, Pogue all saying positive things about Win7; it seems you are in the minority.

The word is Win7 is great, wake up and smell the coffee...so to speak Wink
i dont base my opinions on articles - although i use them to support my opinions

i have seen all the good articles.  i wait for them! i love them!

but i search out the BAD articles.. this is what i post about - not good stuff - but the bad

its why chrisA (beer28) hates me  "he seems like hes cutting them up - but hes really trying to help them"

whatever... i suppose i should find a better interest.. but alas - my interest is ms - and seeing it WIN

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jamie said:
La Bomba said:
*snip*
i dont base my opinions on articles - although i use them to support my opinions

i have seen all the good articles.  i wait for them! i love them!

but i search out the BAD articles.. this is what i post about - not good stuff - but the bad

its why chrisA (beer28) hates me  "he seems like hes cutting them up - but hes really trying to help them"

whatever... i suppose i should find a better interest.. but alas - my interest is ms - and seeing it WIN
I'm curious to see what your reasons are, where is that thread?

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La Bomba said:
jamie said:
*snip*
I'm curious to see what your reasons are, where is that thread?
http://channel9.msdn.com/forums/Coffeehouse/454467-Apples-beats-estimates-MS-cuts-5000-jobs/?CommentID=454813

*its not reasons... just things to fix issues - that ive seen not just from me - but friends too

*the funny part is - i guess it took 4 years to write that in one simple list Wink

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La Bomba said:
jamie said:
*snip*
It just seems with even Linux users saying Win7 is great, the big technology columnists Mossberg, Pogue all saying positive things about Win7; it seems you are in the minority.

The word is Win7 is great, wake up and smell the coffee...so to speak Wink
The word is Win7 is great, wake up and smell the coffee...so to speak

It's great that people think W7 is going to be a success... and as an MS developer/reseller, I sure hope it is... but that should not stop anyone from criticising the product... particularly in the Beta-phase... when you are supposed to be critical.

Just because everyone agrees that you are wrong, doesn't mean that you are... and there is a serious "naked emperor" syndrome that surrounds much of what journalists/bloggers write... all too often they write that something is good (or bad) because they are then in agreement with their peers, and hence that makes them respected journalists/bloggers... but it only takes one to stand up and call it as it really is, for them all to change their tune.

That's not to suggest W7 is a shiny turd or that everyone is being deluded from the "truth" ...but questioning what others say and having a different point of view is not a bad thing... and it sure as hell beats blindly accepting what others say or accepting what you read on the internet as fact.

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Charles said:
Cyonix said:
*snip*
That's strange.  Is there an error surfaced associated with Chrome? What's the message?
C
The problem i had was when i typed a url into Chrome it wouldn't actually browse anywhere. I installed Chrome from the Clickonce installer, which as Sabot says puts it into the User Folder. I'll try and find a proper installer

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jamie said:
PaoloM said:
*snip*
xp - eww.

yes convice yourself of that - contrary to market numbers that show most prefer it

* to dream.... the impossible ..dream .... (music notes etc )
I had to reinstall an old laptop with XP recently (a friend whose laptop has died wanted to borrow it). It was terrible. Several times I was looking for stuff and couldn't find it because I'd gotten used to the Vista way. I kept trying to find the breadcrumbs bar but all it had was a completely useless Up button Wink. Several times I did the press win-key, start typing trick out of habit (which is how I launch the stuff in Vista that isn't in the MRU list of the start menu), and that failed of course. One time I accidentally logged off by doing that.

XP was a great OS for its time, but that time is over. I wouldn't go back even if you paid me (ok, it depends on how much you want to pay Tongue Out )

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All this from a Mac user too!

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jamie said:
PaoloM said:
*snip*
xp - eww.

yes convice yourself of that - contrary to market numbers that show most prefer it

* to dream.... the impossible ..dream .... (music notes etc )
Fair comment Jamie.

Is '7 enough to get people off XP? I can't answer that. Is improving alot of features radical enough now? I'm wondering if '7 needs to walk on water!.

It's all evolutions in '7 ... perhaps it's a revolution thats needed?

However, I prefer '7 to XP but that's just my preference based on no real fact other than it seems better performing in a lot of ways. This just proves the point that everyone will have an important killer reason to want to upgrade, Microsoft's challenge will be to communicate them. Upgrading cos XP is going out of support is a lame reason.

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Sabot said:
jamie said:
*snip*
Fair comment Jamie.

Is '7 enough to get people off XP? I can't answer that. Is improving alot of features radical enough now? I'm wondering if '7 needs to walk on water!.

It's all evolutions in '7 ... perhaps it's a revolution thats needed?

However, I prefer '7 to XP but that's just my preference based on no real fact other than it seems better performing in a lot of ways. This just proves the point that everyone will have an important killer reason to want to upgrade, Microsoft's challenge will be to communicate them. Upgrading cos XP is going out of support is a lame reason.
Evolution vs Revolution: I'd love to see Microsoft shake up the whole file system/task bar/desktop/window paradigm, as has been hinted to for a future Windows version a couple of times. I'm not sure if they could afford it right now. Deservedly or not, Windows' reputation is damaged after Vista, and shaking up everything and throwing compatibility out the door might be enough to finally drive people to Linux and Mac so that they have something that at least remotely resembles what they were used to.
Maybe Microsoft needs to reaffirm Windows' reputation with one or two strong Windows releases again, so that they'll at least have the confidence of the user again when they try something new.

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