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Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Minh — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:23:24 GMT

Unsurprisingly, there's another big change on C9 (for classic users) without any announcement.

Honestly, I've never been to a forum where admins are so hostile to their own users.

If you had a classic C9 login, and you logged out, on the next login, you'll see this:

Notice how the option to use classic logins is gone... After using your passport, you'll get:

Yep, it's officially gone.

(Sampy Ninja Edit: Just wanted to tweak the title so people had the full info)

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

JonathonW — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 01:25:52 GMT

Great. Guess I'm gone the next time I get logged out. I never could stay logged in with LiveID on Channel 8; made it too difficult to bother to post anything-- I'd assume it will work the same way here.

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Minh — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 01:49:33 GMT

CannotResolveSymbol said:
Great. Guess I'm gone the next time I get logged out. I never could stay logged in with LiveID on Channel 8; made it too difficult to bother to post anything-- I'd assume it will work the same way here.

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Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

VB Man — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 01:51:27 GMT

Friends, let's all go to Apple Developer Forums. The site looks 100 times better, and works infinite times better.

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Minh — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 01:58:16 GMT

VB Man said:
Friends, let's all go to Apple Developer Forums. The site looks 100 times better, and works infinite times better.

I'm a few clicks away from ordering this... iPhone development is a temptress...

I have a PS/2 KVM switch that I plug a USB converter into... Will it work w/ the Mac Mini? Or do I have to buy separate KB & Mouse?

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

VB Man — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:02:49 GMT

Minh said:

VB Man said:

*snip*

I'm a few clicks away from ordering this... iPhone development is a temptress...

I have a PS/2 KVM switch that I plug a USB converter into... Will it work w/ the Mac Mini? Or do I have to buy separate KB & Mouse?

It should work.

Go for it Minh.

'Mac is over priced!' blah blah blah... there whole Dev Suite is free and it includes Instruments which blows any VS testing plugin out of the water.

Long live OS X. It just works.

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Cybermagellan — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:20:24 GMT

"@adkinn you still work on C9? What happened to classic logins?" - 18:28 my time (AZ)

"@schristopheraz hmm, maybe grandfather clause expired? You'd have to ask @duncanma or @humancompiler" - 18:40 my time (AZ)

20 minutes I got ahold of someone from C9 on Twitter...if it's really THAT big of a deal....

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Minh — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:26:37 GMT

VB Man said:

Minh said:

*snip*

It should work.

Go for it Minh.

'Mac is over priced!' blah blah blah... there whole Dev Suite is free and it includes Instruments which blows any VS testing plugin out of the water.

Long live OS X. It just works.

It is done

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Minh — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:29:57 GMT

Cybermagellan said:
"@adkinn you still work on C9? What happened to classic logins?" - 18:28 my time (AZ)

"@schristopheraz hmm, maybe grandfather clause expired? You'd have to ask @duncanma or @humancompiler" - 18:40 my time (AZ)

20 minutes I got ahold of someone from C9 on Twitter...if it's really THAT big of a deal....

It's not that big a deal for me, because I already had a LiveID... But for those who don't... Last I checked, there were 16,000 classic logins. How many of those have LiveIDs? How many of those would bother to get one?

I have a problem with how the C9 ppl always say "conversation" but then run their web site as opaquely as possible.

I wonder what is gained from getting rid of the classic logins.

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Minh — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:30:58 GMT

Cybermagellan said:
"@adkinn you still work on C9? What happened to classic logins?" - 18:28 my time (AZ)

"@schristopheraz hmm, maybe grandfather clause expired? You'd have to ask @duncanma or @humancompiler" - 18:40 my time (AZ)

20 minutes I got ahold of someone from C9 on Twitter...if it's really THAT big of a deal....

Post when/if you hear back from @duncanma or @humancompiler

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

VB Man — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:43:22 GMT

Minh said:

VB Man said:

*snip*

It is done

Congratulations.

Once you use Mac, you never go back.

Have fun bud, you will not regret it... not even one bit. I promise.

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Minh — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:48:55 GMT

VB Man said:

Minh said:

*snip*

Congratulations.

Once you use Mac, you never go back.

Have fun bud, you will not regret it... not even one bit. I promise.

I have to be back and forth.

I see Silverlight as the future of Windows development (maybe a basis of Windows Mobile 7)

and I'd love to have a shot at the iPhone. For the moment, OSX is it. I've use my brother's Mac before, and I liked it enough. OSX surely has put a scare into MS.

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Charles — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:38:31 GMT

This is a bug, not a new "feature". So relax, my Niner brothers and sisters. The OldSchool login is not dead, just broken.
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Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Duncan Mackenzie — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:39:24 GMT

Cybermagellan said:
"@adkinn you still work on C9? What happened to classic logins?" - 18:28 my time (AZ)

"@schristopheraz hmm, maybe grandfather clause expired? You'd have to ask @duncanma or @humancompiler" - 18:40 my time (AZ)

20 minutes I got ahold of someone from C9 on Twitter...if it's really THAT big of a deal....

This was not intentional, I need to talk to Sampy to figure out what happened though. It looks like we lost the ability to have a custom UI around our login, and that was how we exposed the 'classic' sign in link ... as far as I know, we never requested the UI change so perhaps it was made across the board for LiveID sites

I'll figure it out though, and get the classic sign-in link back, even if we have to just add it right onto the menu alongside the Live ID one.

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Charles — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:43:33 GMT

Duncanma said:

Cybermagellan said:

*snip*

This was not intentional, I need to talk to Sampy to figure out what happened though. It looks like we lost the ability to have a custom UI around our login, and that was how we exposed the 'classic' sign in link ... as far as I know, we never requested the UI change so perhaps it was made across the board for LiveID sites

I'll figure it out though, and get the classic sign-in link back, even if we have to just add it right onto the menu alongside the Live ID one.

Thank you as always Duncan!!
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Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

JonathonW — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:48:24 GMT

Duncanma said:

Cybermagellan said:

*snip*

This was not intentional, I need to talk to Sampy to figure out what happened though. It looks like we lost the ability to have a custom UI around our login, and that was how we exposed the 'classic' sign in link ... as far as I know, we never requested the UI change so perhaps it was made across the board for LiveID sites

I'll figure it out though, and get the classic sign-in link back, even if we have to just add it right onto the menu alongside the Live ID one.

Thanks... if C9 performs similarly to the last time I logged into C8, the experience when logged in via Live ID is subpar... cutting it off would be bad.

Doesn't look like the changes have been made completely across the board yet-- Connect and the MS Careers site are still showing the old-style Live ID login with their usual customized content still included.

Any chance you could post the classic sign-on link here until you get something figured out?

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Charles — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:49:51 GMT

CannotResolveSymbol said:

Duncanma said:

*snip*

Thanks... if C9 performs similarly to the last time I logged into C8, the experience when logged in via Live ID is subpar... cutting it off would be bad.

Doesn't look like the changes have been made completely across the board yet-- Connect and the MS Careers site are still showing the old-style Live ID login with their usual customized content still included.

Any chance you could post the classic sign-on link here until you get something figured out?

http://channel9.msdn.com/signin/
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Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Duncan Mackenzie — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:58:52 GMT

VB Man said:
Friends, let's all go to Apple Developer Forums. The site looks 100 times better, and works infinite times better.

I was curious and followed that links... and did I end up at some awesome forums? Nope, I ended up at a login screen that told me I can't even read the forums without joining their developer program.

The Apple Developer Forums are available to developers in the iPhone Developer Standard Program, Enterprise Program, and University Program. Log in using your program Apple ID and password.

Should we require you to have a MSDN subscription to use Channel 9?

Anyway, that doesn't mean they aren't awesome, and I was truly curious... are there also public Apple forums using the same software that I can look at?

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

JonathonW — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:29:16 GMT

Duncanma said:

VB Man said:

*snip*

I was curious and followed that links... and did I end up at some awesome forums? Nope, I ended up at a login screen that told me I can't even read the forums without joining their developer program.

The Apple Developer Forums are available to developers in the iPhone Developer Standard Program, Enterprise Program, and University Program. Log in using your program Apple ID and password.

Should we require you to have a MSDN subscription to use Channel 9?

Anyway, that doesn't mean they aren't awesome, and I was truly curious... are there also public Apple forums using the same software that I can look at?

No, there aren't.

And they're not some kind of "awesome community" or anything... they're primarily support forums, and while you will occasionally see some neat ideas bouncing around, there's no space for general or off-topic discussion like in the C9 Coffeehouse (it's clearly segmented into different topic areas).

The software is decent, and they've got some neat features in their rich text editor that I'd like to see on other sites (one specific feature I like: marking something as a code snippet immediately reformats the section as code (they don't do syntax highlighting, though) rather than just marking it with [code][/code] like most forums). Can't say much about stability, though: haven't spent much time there or written many posts.

Can't give you any screenshots or anything of that sort, as there's some NDA'd information floating around there (stupid NDA on prerelease iPhone software... )

OT: is your avatar wearing a Scotland shirt?

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Duncan Mackenzie — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:48:25 GMT

CannotResolveSymbol said:

Duncanma said:

*snip*

No, there aren't.

And they're not some kind of "awesome community" or anything... they're primarily support forums, and while you will occasionally see some neat ideas bouncing around, there's no space for general or off-topic discussion like in the C9 Coffeehouse (it's clearly segmented into different topic areas).

The software is decent, and they've got some neat features in their rich text editor that I'd like to see on other sites (one specific feature I like: marking something as a code snippet immediately reformats the section as code (they don't do syntax highlighting, though) rather than just marking it with [code][/code] like most forums). Can't say much about stability, though: haven't spent much time there or written many posts.

Can't give you any screenshots or anything of that sort, as there's some NDA'd information floating around there (stupid NDA on prerelease iPhone software... )

OT: is your avatar wearing a Scotland shirt?

thanks for the info... I understand the need for private forums, but it is too bad they don't have some public as well.

You'll seem some changes in our editor soon, but I can't discuss it quite yet as we are still working out the official details

Yes on the Scotland shirt...

My family, on both sides, is from Scotland and my father was born there... and they didn't have a Canadian one

I've never been though, and I'd love to make it there at some point. I went to London for work once, and I should have taken that opportunity to head north.

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Mike Sampson — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:54:47 GMT

As Duncan said, it was unintentional. I changing some of our Live ID settings so that we could provide you with some more info about what Live ID you are signed in with as well as leverage some of the profile information in the ticket. Apparently making that change switched us over to the new login screen unintentionally. While we do want to move to that login experience eventually, making sure old school accounts can still sign in is required before we make the move.

I'll get this fixed soon. Nobody freak out

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Mike Sampson — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:57:45 GMT

VB Man said:
Friends, let's all go to Apple Developer Forums. The site looks 100 times better, and works infinite times better.

After that editor change, our site will be infinite + 1 times better!

HA HA!

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Duncan Mackenzie — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:31:23 GMT

Sampy said:
As Duncan said, it was unintentional. I changing some of our Live ID settings so that we could provide you with some more info about what Live ID you are signed in with as well as leverage some of the profile information in the ticket. Apparently making that change switched us over to the new login screen unintentionally. While we do want to move to that login experience eventually, making sure old school accounts can still sign in is required before we make the move.

I'll get this fixed soon. Nobody freak out

Seems fixing this means manually editing some configuration files and is best left until the morning, so in the meantime we've added a 'Sign In (classic)' link to the menu (only appears when you are signed out) ... which produces this UI "Sign In | Sign In (Classic)" which is most definitely not the best ... but I wanted to get something in there so that people are not blocked from signing in until we resolve the original problem.

Thanks folks, and sorry for the hassle.

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Ion Todirel — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:26:45 GMT

you know how they say, a bug is a undocumented feature

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

stevo_ — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:36:24 GMT

Did you really buy a mac mini? hahaha, we have one in our office and it blew so hard we hardly used it for the first couple of months then it ended up sat on a shelf for the remainder of its life, and we have a lot of mac love here in this office..

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Bas — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:24:23 GMT

Guys let's all throw a hissy-fit over trivial stuff again soon, okay? Those things are a blast.

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Minh — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:00:51 GMT

Bas said:

Guys let's all throw a hissy-fit over trivial stuff again soon, okay? Those things are a blast.

I call it a Pavlov response. Sometimes it's not a duck.

Coffeehouse - Looks Like C9 Killed Classic Logins (Sampy: It's a bug!)

Erik Porter — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:51:39 GMT

Bas said:

Guys let's all throw a hissy-fit over trivial stuff again soon, okay? Those things are a blast.

And we "enjoy" reading them. w00t!