IBM stepped out and Larry's mob stepped in.
Jack Schofield has a decently short write up on it, pointing out that IBM may have dropped a tremendous clanger.
Most of the IT pundits seem to reckon that it is a good deal for both Solaris and Java, but don't hold out much hope for Sun's hardware business.
As a Java bod, I'm pretty happy with the deal, but then after years of watching Sun's management twist in the wind for more than ten years, I'd be happy if they'd been bought out by KFC.
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Doesn't it sorta give them a software/hardware setup like Apple but at more of an enterprise level?
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Yeah, could do.Duanerrr said:Doesn't it sorta give them a software/hardware setup like Apple but at more of an enterprise level?
It's just that Oracle has never had much interest in hardware, unless you count their network computers which I don't believe were great sellers.
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I was just thinking of it as the idea that they could approach buyers with a system with an OS and a DB system all in one from just one vendor.Ray7 said:
Yeah, could do.Duanerrr said:*snip*
It's just that Oracle has never had much interest in hardware, unless you count their network computers which I don't believe were great sellers.
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Evil SEO
An undercover agent trying to stop Rick Astley from destroying the world.
I completely agree. Sun's Java could have really improved that bitter KFC's coffee.
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W3bbo
Work hard; increase production; prevent accidents, and be happy.
How will Oracle's epynonymous DBMS sit with Sun's ownership of MySQL though?Evil SEO said:I completely agree. Sun's Java could have really improved that bitter KFC's coffee.
Whilst one is enterprise-level serious biz and the other is used in a small-biz setting one is immensely more profitable. Will they spin it off, kill it, or what?
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Ion Todirel
buuu
They will release a express edition of Oracle DBMS called "MySQL"?W3bbo said:
How will Oracle's epynonymous DBMS sit with Sun's ownership of MySQL though?Evil SEO said:*snip*
Whilst one is enterprise-level serious biz and the other is used in a small-biz setting one is immensely more profitable. Will they spin it off, kill it, or what?
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Sven Groot
Don't worry... I'm a doctor.
If they kill MySQL, I'm sure the guys behind PostgreSQL won't mind so much.W3bbo said:
How will Oracle's epynonymous DBMS sit with Sun's ownership of MySQL though?Evil SEO said:*snip*
Whilst one is enterprise-level serious biz and the other is used in a small-biz setting one is immensely more profitable. Will they spin it off, kill it, or what?
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Cybermagellan
Live for nothing, or die for everything
If they destroy MySQL im sure everyone will have a fit...Sven Groot said:
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foreachdev
Twitter: @foreachdev
<asp:Sarcasm>Cybermagellan said:
If they destroy MySQL im sure everyone will have a fit...Sven Groot said:*snip*
Shouldn't we say nobody will have fit. We do not include people who live in their parents basement in the generalization of 'everyone'.
'We' being everyone who actually has a job in the computer industry. Not including graduate students and tenured professors on projects that are theoretical.
</asp:Sarcasm>
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Bass
I need better writers.
I wonder how this affects btrfs more, seeing that now Oracle is in the enterprise operating system business, and btrfs is basically an enterprise operating system filesystem. Plus now they got ZFS. Hell Sun has a massive software portfolio. This is some serious business alright.Sven Groot said:
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Bass
I need better writers.
foreachdev,You know there are thousands of people who make money as MySQL DB admins. There are MySQL specific certifications, and people who specialize in MySQL administration. These people can easily and often make six figures. So if they live in their parents basement, it's out of their own free will.
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foreachdev
Twitter: @foreachdev
Guess you didn't see the sarcasm tags.
According to MySQL own website you can 'easily' get a DBA for 46k according to their accurate graph at the top I am sure it is as accurate as your claim that there are thousands that could 'easily' make 100k plus. But I digress.
http://www.mysql.com/dbasavings/
The real point is this topic is off topic and is largely speculative.
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Bass
I need better writers.
I don't code ASP/ASP.NET, sorry.
Maybe soon, right now I only do WinForms.
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foreachdev
Twitter: @foreachdev
Once you move onto WPF the asp:Sarcasm tag will seem less scary to you:)
The 1000s of PHP magic functions to me is scary.
The PHP 'quick' reference:
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Bass
I need better writers.
I don't think it's offtopic to talk about what will happen to Sun's products under Oracle rule. I'm pretty sure Oracle was eyeing MySQL (they already own the InnoDB backend, by the way), before Sun bought it. What Oracle wants to do with MySQL is anyone's guess. Oracle might close source future versions of it and sell it as an Oracle DB Web Edition or something. Or they might just drop it entirely. Or they might keep the business going as it is, an open source version and more feature complete enterprise version. Yes it's all speculation but I think it's interesting speculation because MySQL is such an important product to the web right now.
But of course MySQL is just one of many of Sun's products, Sun has an extensive software portfolio that encompasses languages, IDEs, virtualization technologies, office suites, etc etc. Sun is almost a mini Microsoft with a hardware division, without the same business sucess as Microsoft itself. Could Oracle turn Sun's product into business success?
I think $7 billion for this major company was a huge bargin also, besides having all these products Sun still owns substational captial and liquid funds, so when you factor that in Sun really only costed $4-5 billion because Oracle gained all of Sun's money. And they get Java, MySQL, Solaris, SPARC, OpenOffice.org, and all kinds of other stuff for that price. It was a good deal. -
You make some good points, but I don't think they'll drop it for one simple reason: Upsell.
I believe that MySQL is one of the most widely used RDBMSs on the market, which gives Oracle a way into thousands of websites.
I think we all need to remember, just because Sun couldn't figure out a way to make Open Source pay, that doesn't mean Oracle won't.
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figuerres
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"As a Java bod, I'm pretty happy with the deal, but then after years of watching Sun's management twist in the wind for more than ten years, I'd be happy if they'd been bought out by KFC."
Mmmm that applet is finger licking good! Heh....
the secret recipie with herbs spices and a JVM .....
too funny in a way, or just foolish I guess
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