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This certainly makes sense. I certainly suspected that Microsoft might go this route. There is no reason to be worried about compatibility, if this functions well. If the economy were not so down, I'd say this would be a real catalyst for Windows 7.

I wonder how Direct3D will work with this. Will I be able to playStar Wars Jedi Knight Dark Forces II?

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/466707-Absolutely-Brilliant-Windows-XP-Mode-in-7/466707#466707 Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:59:49 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/466707-Absolutely-Brilliant-Windows-XP-Mode-in-7/466707#466707 intelman 46 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/intelman/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Absolutely Brilliant, Windows XP Mode in 7 "Will I be able to playStar Wars Jedi Knight Dark Forces II?"

Not if your GPU doesn't have a sufficient concentration of midichlorians in it.

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/466707-Absolutely-Brilliant-Windows-XP-Mode-in-7/2bc0119c8817428680059deb00d9d4c8#2bc0119c8817428680059deb00d9d4c8 Sat, 25 Apr 2009 01:40:36 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/466707-Absolutely-Brilliant-Windows-XP-Mode-in-7/2bc0119c8817428680059deb00d9d4c8#2bc0119c8817428680059deb00d9d4c8 William Stacey 46 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/staceyw/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Absolutely Brilliant, Windows XP Mode in 7 What an awful idea.

Necessity is the mother of innovation (or something like that), now all the hacks have an excuse for continued complacency.

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phreaks said:
What an awful idea.

Necessity is the mother of innovation (or something like that), now all the hacks have an excuse for continued complacency.
does this mean that the most popular theme for windows ever (luna) will run in 7?

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phreaks said:
What an awful idea.

Necessity is the mother of innovation (or something like that), now all the hacks have an excuse for continued complacency.
... And how many hacks can Microsoft remove from Windows as a result?

Greater good if you ask me. Particularly if Microsoft step up and remove several of the really old compatibility bits on Windows that very few users really take advantage of anymore.

I'm assuming this is meant to be Microsoft's answer to what Apple did with OS X. But what I struggle to understand is; alright so Microsoft have rolled out their virtual service but what have they removed? When OS X shipped they broke MOST OS 9 Applications and rewrote a lot of the framework, Microsoft has done none of that but released this virtual machine thingy.

Can we expect Windows 8 to be Microsoft's answer to OS X or aren't Microsoft ambious enough for that?

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A) Preinstalled by default
B) Available in all Windows 7 SKUs
C) Supporting not just Windows XP, but Win98SE, WinNT4, Win3.1, and DOS 6.22 (for basically complete compatibility with all PC software)
D) Completely transparent (use the compatibility index, age identifiers, etc)
E) Supported hardware graphics acceleration

Edit: And I realize that Virtual PC or VMware satisfies most of these, but then you still have to go through installing all these things, they're still not integrated that well (even in Unity mode).

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Bass said:
This reads as if Windows 7's killer feature is the ability to emulate Windows XP. Wink

Or the ability to be 100% compatibile with previous versions of Windows....

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Sounds like a great  feature. Too bad it isn't in the Home SKU. This'd be great for people who aren't very computer literate and don't have the luxury of calling tech support or simply buying new software.

Edit: wouldn't it be a funny dickish move if the leaked RC was intentionally leaked without this stuff in it, just to make people who downloaded and installed it download and install the RC that does contain it all over again?

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Give Luna a rest... We don't want playmobil software Tongue Out

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And yeah, all the BC stuff can be stripped from Windows, but has it? Because I haven't head anyone running the beta say that their old stuff doesn't work anymore. What's the point of offering virtualisation for BC if all the BC code is still in there?

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All the Virtual PC sessions I've had required me to run all my XP software on an XP desktop inside the Virtual PC window, not side by side with Vista/Windows 7 applications on my Vista/Windows 7 desktop... but I may have simply overlooked that Virtual PC feature all these years.

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Bas said:

Can you do this with "just Virtual PC that comes with XP"?



All the Virtual PC sessions I've had required me to run all my XP software on an XP desktop inside the Virtual PC window, not side by side with Vista/Windows 7 applications on my Vista/Windows 7 desktop... but I may have simply overlooked that Virtual PC feature all these years.

No you can't. So I'm looking forward to this ... *IF* there's a full version of Virtual PC that will do this for any application.

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Bas said:

Can you do this with "just Virtual PC that comes with XP"?



All the Virtual PC sessions I've had required me to run all my XP software on an XP desktop inside the Virtual PC window, not side by side with Vista/Windows 7 applications on my Vista/Windows 7 desktop... but I may have simply overlooked that Virtual PC feature all these years.

No you cant but I don't see why that makes this so amazing really..

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TommyCarlier said:
What I find cool about this is that it's free and it includes a fully licensed copy of Windows XP.
Well, I do not consider it free. You still pay for Windows 7. It is a feature.

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Although I guess you have a point in that you probably need a Windows 7 license to be able to use the free XP license.

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TommyCarlier said:
What I find cool about this is that it's free and it includes a fully licensed copy of Windows XP.
Free = Having to buy Windows 7 Business or higher.

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Evil SEO said:
TommyCarlier said:
*snip*
Free = Having to buy Windows 7 Business or higher.
well you know what he means...

you don't have to fork out for Windows XP IN ADDITION TO 7.

So effectively it's bogof.

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As I said this is just a carbon-copy of what OS X did to OS 9.

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ManipUni said:
Before you all start getting carried away with this "free XP licence" thing... There is no evidence that this will be licenced for stand-alone usage. They could (and likely will) only licence it to be run within the virtual machine.

As I said this is just a carbon-copy of what OS X did to OS 9.
No, it isn't.

Classic mode in OS X was an abstraction layer, similar to how Wine works on *nix, it wasn't virtualisation. It was also available to "home users" not just users of the Business-class SKUs.

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W3bbo said:
ManipUni said:
*snip*
No, it isn't.

Classic mode in OS X was an abstraction layer, similar to how Wine works on *nix, it wasn't virtualisation. It was also available to "home users" not just users of the Business-class SKUs.
Classic wasn't virtualization per se (in that they modified certain system files to replace low-level system calls with higher-level calls into the OSX envrionment), but you were running a full copy of Mac OS 9 (the OS would boot either during OSX startup or when a Classic application was launched).  Classic is essentially Mac OS 9 running as an application within OSX, very similar to how virtualization works on x86 platforms (although Classic is probably more analogous to platforms like Xen virtualization where the kernel must be aware that it's being virtualized to work).

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CannotResolveSymbol said:
W3bbo said:
*snip*
Classic wasn't virtualization per se (in that they modified certain system files to replace low-level system calls with higher-level calls into the OSX envrionment), but you were running a full copy of Mac OS 9 (the OS would boot either during OSX startup or when a Classic application was launched).  Classic is essentially Mac OS 9 running as an application within OSX, very similar to how virtualization works on x86 platforms (although Classic is probably more analogous to platforms like Xen virtualization where the kernel must be aware that it's being virtualized to work).
You didn't contradict me then.

One thing about virtualisation I don't get is how Virtuozzo works. Can anyone explain how they got it to work?

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W3bbo said:
CannotResolveSymbol said:
*snip*
You didn't contradict me then.

One thing about virtualisation I don't get is how Virtuozzo works. Can anyone explain how they got it to work?
But it's not similar to how Wine works in *nix; you're running the full operating system, with all the advantages (compatibility) and disadvantages (cooperative multitasking, no protected memory) of Mac OS 9.

Classic uses sort of a "halfway" virtualization approach:  instead of running the OS unmodified in a lower-privileged execution environment and intercepting instructions that would normally modify the state of the hardware (disk I/O, display, etc.), they're patching out these calls altogether and replacing them with higher-level instructions that allow it to play nicely alongside OSX.  This makes Classic less generic (you're not going to boot Mac OS 8.5 in Classic), but it means Apple can tune Classic for performance in a manner that's not possible with pure virtualization, while maintaining compatibility with old applications and sandboxing those applications away from apps running under OSX.

Compare this to Wine, which is a compatibility layer.  Wine runs Windows executables natively on a Linux machine; Windows API calls are routed to the equivalent calls in the Wine library.  Here, Windows applications are being managed completely by the host operating system; there's not a copy of Windows hiding in the background managing Windows applications separately from Linux applications.

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brian.shapiro said:
who here will actually need to use this
If you could run IE6 in it ........



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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/466707-Absolutely-Brilliant-Windows-XP-Mode-in-7/2916f14c4e754363a9019deb00d9df4f#2916f14c4e754363a9019deb00d9df4f Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:31:03 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/466707-Absolutely-Brilliant-Windows-XP-Mode-in-7/2916f14c4e754363a9019deb00d9df4f#2916f14c4e754363a9019deb00d9df4f stevo_ 46 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/stevo_/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Absolutely Brilliant, Windows XP Mode in 7 What's the point? There are a lot of tools to run different version of IE (from 3.0 to 8) on Vista to make your pages look like a Web 2.0 Picasso painting. Some of these tools also allow you to run multiple IE engines at once and compare the results in different tabs so you easily can make your own personal abstract art gallery.

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Evil SEO said:
What's the point? There are a lot of tools to run different version of IE (from 3.0 to 8) on Vista to make your pages look like a Web 2.0 Picasso painting. Some of these tools also allow you to run multiple IE engines at once and compare the results in different tabs so you easily can make your own personal abstract art gallery.
Those techniques aren't reliable. For instance, different versions of IE installed on the same computer all use the same registry key to for their user-agent string, so on a computer with IE8 and IE6 installed IE6 will report itself as being IE8.

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blowdart said:
brian.shapiro said:
*snip*
If you could run IE6 in it ........



That's not really new though. Virtual PC is free, and you can already download free XP VMs for IE testing. Ok, so it doesn't have the seamless virtualization, but that isn't all that important if testing in IE6 is all you want.

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0) Dos 2.0
1) Dos 5.0 (just found an old manual in my garage today)
2) Windows 95
3) Windows XP
4) Windows NT 3.5/4.0
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W3bbo said:
Evil SEO said:
*snip*
Those techniques aren't reliable. For instance, different versions of IE installed on the same computer all use the same registry key to for their user-agent string, so on a computer with IE8 and IE6 installed IE6 will report itself as being IE8.
If you want to fully run older versions of IE and not just using their engines try IE Collection,the rendering is very reliable and I don't recall having user agent issues, all the versions seem to send the correct string. Obviously running those older versions isn't 100% reliable because nobody ensures you that they will behave exactly like they would on their original OS with only compatible plugins but I never had different results apart from plugins like flash not working properly on older IE versions but that's what virtual machines are made for.

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Evil SEO said:
W3bbo said:
*snip*
If you want to fully run older versions of IE and not just using their engines try IE Collection,the rendering is very reliable and I don't recall having user agent issues, all the versions seem to send the correct string. Obviously running those older versions isn't 100% reliable because nobody ensures you that they will behave exactly like they would on their original OS with only compatible plugins but I never had different results apart from plugins like flash not working properly on older IE versions but that's what virtual machines are made for.
If I understand it correctly, that's the interesting thing about Expression Web Superpreview: rather than run or emulate other rendering engines, it sends a request for the page to some server, which then renders it on the target platform, and then sends an image of the output back. So in theory this could mean that you can tell exactly what your page would look like in Safari under OSX (including OSX's fonts and everything) without actually having to own a mac or runs OSX/Safari, because the server will render it on an OSX machine for you.

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Bas said:
Evil SEO said:
*snip*
If I understand it correctly, that's the interesting thing about Expression Web Superpreview: rather than run or emulate other rendering engines, it sends a request for the page to some server, which then renders it on the target platform, and then sends an image of the output back. So in theory this could mean that you can tell exactly what your page would look like in Safari under OSX (including OSX's fonts and everything) without actually having to own a mac or runs OSX/Safari, because the server will render it on an OSX machine for you.
http://litmusapp.com/


(channel9 still sucks at trying to sign in. it is bad when microsoft employees cannot use microsoft tech)

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VB Man said:
Bas said:
*snip*
http://litmusapp.com/


(channel9 still sucks at trying to sign in. it is bad when microsoft employees cannot use microsoft tech)
Uh theres quite a few sites that do this even for free.. but the model is different.

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ManipUni said:
Before you all start getting carried away with this "free XP licence" thing... There is no evidence that this will be licenced for stand-alone usage. They could (and likely will) only licence it to be run within the virtual machine.

As I said this is just a carbon-copy of what OS X did to OS 9.

Super duper cool. I will remember to buy Win7 Pro or higher for this babe. Smiley

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Bas said:
Evil SEO said:
*snip*
If I understand it correctly, that's the interesting thing about Expression Web Superpreview: rather than run or emulate other rendering engines, it sends a request for the page to some server, which then renders it on the target platform, and then sends an image of the output back. So in theory this could mean that you can tell exactly what your page would look like in Safari under OSX (including OSX's fonts and everything) without actually having to own a mac or runs OSX/Safari, because the server will render it on an OSX machine for you.
It's not interesting at all because there are many websites that do the same job for free but an image of the page can't show you if scripts and videos/applets work as intended, you need to have the browser in front of you to check if everything is working properly.

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Evil SEO said:
Bas said:
*snip*
It's not interesting at all because there are many websites that do the same job for free but an image of the page can't show you if scripts and videos/applets work as intended, you need to have the browser in front of you to check if everything is working properly.
I thought it is like Remote Desktop or Virtual Lab to that server. So it is interactive and purely running on the proper hardware and software.

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Evil SEO said:
Bas said:
*snip*
It's not interesting at all because there are many websites that do the same job for free but an image of the page can't show you if scripts and videos/applets work as intended, you need to have the browser in front of you to check if everything is working properly.
Fact: if more than one thing can do something interesting, it's automatically not interesting. Thanks, guy!

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blowdart said:
brian.shapiro said:
*snip*
If you could run IE6 in it ........



IE6 example demo'd - albeit a crappy demo.

http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/04/28/windows-xp-mode-internals-part-2-application-publishing-magic/

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