This is what makes me proud to live in the EU. M$ thinks of pulling off another Netscape type of technology rip-off and the EU steps in and says that the user ought to be able to choose between JVM from Sun or from M$ and between using IE or Firefox. I hope that as a result IE will be scrapped just as M$ JVM was scrapped in the past. M$ monopoly will not be tolerated in the EU like it is in the US:
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tobleroneisbest
Jan Kratochvil
Actuelly, I also live in EU, and I feel ashamed abut it. Even my "hardcore" Opera using frieds thing that this is too much. The fact is, that user can download whatever he wants. BUT, the OS shouldn't be just the core, but it should be usable right out of the box. And the thing is, that some people can work only on IE, because they've connected it with the Internet and are happy that they are capable of using it. An doesn't matter where they go, there is the familiar browser (for older and less IT-educated people IE = the Internet) and that really matters to them. And if they wanna try something else, they can also download it, no problem. Btw. I'm IE user and proud of it
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Bas
It finds lightbulbs.
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blowdart
Peek-a-boo
tobleroneisbest said:Actuelly, I also live in EU, and I feel ashamed abut it. Even my "hardcore" Opera using frieds thing that this is too much. The fact is, that user can download whatever he wants. BUT, the OS shouldn't be just the core, but it should be usable right out of the box. And the thing is, that some people can work only on IE, because they've connected it with the Internet and are happy that they are capable of using it. An doesn't matter where they go, there is the familiar browser (for older and less IT-educated people IE = the Internet) and that really matters to them. And if they wanna try something else, they can also download it, no problem. Btw. I'm IE user and proud of it
Yes, but you're answering a well known troll, so who knows (or cares) if he lives in Europe.
Oh and of course the rewriting of history over the JVM is "interesting" - you could quite happily install the Sun JVM over the MS one. When Sun eventually got around to writing one.
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tobleroneisbest
Jan Kratochvil
blowdart said:tobleroneisbest said:*snip*
Yes, but you're answering a well known troll, so who knows (or cares) if he lives in Europe.
Oh and of course the rewriting of history over the JVM is "interesting" - you could quite happily install the Sun JVM over the MS one. When Sun eventually got around to writing one.
Sry, I'm quiet new to this Channel
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vesuvius
Count Orlock
Bas said:
Flame bait = FAIL!
In fact, Flame bait = EPIC FAIL!
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blowdart said:tobleroneisbest said:*snip*
Yes, but you're answering a well known troll, so who knows (or cares) if he lives in Europe.
Oh and of course the rewriting of history over the JVM is "interesting" - you could quite happily install the Sun JVM over the MS one. When Sun eventually got around to writing one.
you could quite happily install the Sun JVM over the MS one.
Just as you can today quite happily buy a Windows preinstalled laptop and install Linux "over" it - or was that the reason why Netscape went bust in the 90s?
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vesuvius said:Bas said:*snip*
Flame bait = FAIL!
In fact, Flame bait = EPIC FAIL!
Why should you flame about making windows more secure by being able to choose a modern browser at installation time rather than manually having to make up for the shortcomings of M$ since installing a different web browser remotely on multiple machines may be difficult as discussed in a different C9 thread.
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tobleroneisbest said:
Actuelly, I also live in EU, and I feel ashamed abut it. Even my "hardcore" Opera using frieds thing that this is too much. The fact is, that user can download whatever he wants. BUT, the OS shouldn't be just the core, but it should be usable right out of the box. And the thing is, that some people can work only on IE, because they've connected it with the Internet and are happy that they are capable of using it. An doesn't matter where they go, there is the familiar browser (for older and less IT-educated people IE = the Internet) and that really matters to them. And if they wanna try something else, they can also download it, no problem. Btw. I'm IE user and proud of it
The fact is, that user can download whatever he wants.
Why then force them to have IE on their machines when they don't want it?
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PaoloM
Hypermediocrity
Ubuntu said:blowdart said:*snip*you could quite happily install the Sun JVM over the MS one.
Just as you can today quite happily buy a Windows preinstalled laptop and install Linux "over" it - or was that the reason why Netscape went bust in the 90s?
Netscape went bust in the 90 because all the money they were planning to make by selling Collaboration and Communication Server (starting at $3,000 per server, thankyouverymuch) was suddenly disappeared by a patched httpd released for free.
Revenues from the browser were not relevant in their business plan.
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PaoloM
Hypermediocrity
Ubuntu said:vesuvius said:*snip*
Why should you flame about making windows more secure by being able to choose a modern browser at installation time rather than manually having to make up for the shortcomings of M$ since installing a different web browser remotely on multiple machines may be difficult as discussed in a different C9 thread.
Prove that another browser would be more secure.
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PaoloM
Hypermediocrity
Ubuntu said:tobleroneisbest said:*snip*
The fact is, that user can download whatever he wants.
Why then force them to have IE on their machines when they don't want it?
Why then force them to have IE on their machines when they don't want it?How would you download another broswer? Command line ftp? Srsly?
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PaoloM said:Ubuntu said:*snip*
Netscape went bust in the 90 because all the money they were planning to make by selling Collaboration and Communication Server (starting at $3,000 per server, thankyouverymuch) was suddenly disappeared by a patched httpd released for free.
Revenues from the browser were not relevant in their business plan.
The fact that said Collaboration and Communication Server was utterly bobbins didn't exactly help matters much either. Nor the cunning plan to scrap their entire browser whilst trying to write a new one from scratch.
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PaoloM said:Ubuntu said:*snip*
Prove that another browser would be more secure.
That's true however they were forced out of the market despite having a superior product at the time.
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PaoloM said:Ubuntu said:*snip*
How would you download another broswer? Command line ftp? Srsly?
No support for ActiveX makes a browser more secure.
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PaoloM said:Ubuntu said:*snip*
How would you download another broswer? Command line ftp? Srsly?
How would you download another browser?
Wget if M$ ever got to a point when they implement such sophisticated functionality - wget in a BAT script offering a choice between a couple of browsers would be the kind of feature you would have to wait until Win8.
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Ubuntu said:PaoloM said:*snip*
That's true however they were forced out of the market despite having a superior product at the time.
Nor the cunning plan to scrap their entire browser whilst trying to write a new one from scratch.
The code rewrite is the reason why Netscape has beaten you from their grave with Mozilla.
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Ubuntu said:PaoloM said:*snip*
No support for ActiveX makes a browser more secure.
Ubuntu said:No support for ActiveX makes a browser more secure.Umm, no. Netscape had a binary extension method before ActiveX that allows exactly the same things, as does the binary extension capabilites provided by every other browser.
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