C9 staff - request for interview / discussion

Virtual PC : where is it going?

a whole let of folks have been asking about support for a 64 bit Guest / or the lack of support  and so far Microsoft has given a few replies:

1) Silence: the sound of crickets ....

2) talk about XP mode - that's not the question so that's not a reply

3) run server 2008 With HyperV on your laptop - not an answer for several reasons.

at one point i sent in a very nice email to HQ and got a formal reply that was a recap of 1,2,3

so it seems as if MSFT has decided to leave the market of Desktop Virtualization to the "other guys" after they have taken VirtualPC out of the market.  so now it's VMWare and SUn for the desktop if you need 64 bit Guest support.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itprovirt/thread/8fa1b83d-90ca-449e-92aa-5b20fd82cf1b/

check out that thread that has been going for over 6 MONTHS!!!  with the same result... MICROSOFT DOES NOT CARE!

a whole lot of the folks posting there are developers who need to run virtual machine copies of new server products that only run in 64 bit mode on a server OS. 

we have all been asking for one bloody darn thing to be done and MSFT is not listening to us.

even if they can not share a public plan to address this CUSTOMER REQUEST they should at the least agree that if the customer wants it they should take it to hart.

I am sure that given how people are that for each post on that thread there are at least 100 other folks who agree but have not posted or did not know they could post there.

So where is Virtual PC 2010 with x64 Guest support ?  the last update with 2007 so it's been 3 years already!

Just in case I was not clear:

NOT Hyper V, NOT Virtual Server, NOT SUN, NOT VMWare, NOT XP Mode, NOT MULTI BOOT, NOT Run the server on the laptop!!

Virtual PC 2010 ( or 2011) with x64 guest support.

Where is it?

if it's not going to be built then WHY NOT?

and What's the plan?

Get a clue form what happened to IE6 - that's what VPC looks like now....

Maybe we need some request tracking thing for this. Pop in a request for a video on a certain subject, have people vote on it, have the team change the status when they're picking it up/unable to, etc. Maybe for Revolution 9?

Ditto

Charles said:

I'll see what we can do...
C

Charles: i hope the last was IRT my post??

did you look at the thread i posted the link to?

also i can copy you my email if you want to see that... got a reply from Bob  Muglia but no action, just a thanks we will think about it.

I think some folks have lost touch with what the developers want in this area... sad.

I want 15 minutes w/ Duncan

Charles said:

figuerres said:

*snip*

Yes. Not sure they will have anyrthing to share in terms of what they plan on doing, but I will get your feedback to them and see if they want to engage in a C9 conversational piece.
C

THANKS!

Please convey to them that they at least should have some kind of plan to address the developer questions about using a desktop OS on laptops and desktops to test / demo / debug the new software that microsoft is now publishing as x64 only.

in the past a developer oculd run the x86 32 bit servers for some work and if x64 was the final target you knew what to do when you staged to a "real" box.

but now more and more stuff is x64 only....  hey x64 is good but not having a supported x64 VPC sucks.

also I have paid for VMWare and will soon be looking at some things they have done.

VMWare hooks to VS to let me debug code running in a VMWare virtual machine... Seems like MSFT should have this for VS and VPC developers also...

it adds menu items to VS that "know" you have VMWare installed.

ALSO In some ways I think the move to giving away VPC has been a risky move in this area, if we had to pay for it then it would generate revenue for MSFT. with it free how does MSFT handle customer requests and cost of developing VNext of a free package like this??

related but possibly a seperate thing to do a video on...

Can't agree more with this.... very poor from MS....

Bas said:

Maybe we need some request tracking thing for this. Pop in a request for a video on a certain subject, have people vote on it, have the team change the status when they're picking it up/unable to, etc. Maybe for Revolution 9?

I would love that !

Charles said:

figuerres said:

*snip*

Yes. Not sure they will have anyrthing to share in terms of what they plan on doing, but I will get your feedback to them and see if they want to engage in a C9 conversational piece.
C

It would be nice if figuerres got a post back on this thread, from your self once you have asked them with there reponse at least that way we know that something happend and hasn't got forgotten.

Charles said:

Kryptos said:

*snip*

I am trying to locate the right person. So far, I have come up empty, but it's only Monday...

C

I wasn't suggesting that you hadn't done anything as of yet.  I was just trying to say once you know what's going on just return to the thread and let us know.

That's all. 

Kryptos said:

Charles said:

*snip*

I wasn't suggesting that you hadn't done anything as of yet.  I was just trying to say once you know what's going on just return to the thread and let us know.

 

That's all. 

Charles: also  it would be interesting to find out what the plans are for the current "Mesh" services, I have heard of the Mesh desktop and folders merging with Live and SkyDrive but I have not heard what the plans are for the Mesh "Remote Desktop" bits...

IMHO that is a *VERY* usefull tool that should be kept going!

I like it much better than using logmein.com for my pc/laptop/work desktop.

I would like to see them use RDP to allow a remote app to "surface" on a local desktop in a way that would look like the way windows 7 xp-mode does...

for example at home i have outlook on my desktop, i can't sync outlook on multiple pc's w/o a hack... but if i could be on my laptop and open a connection to my home desktop that runs outlook and shows just outlook on my local laptop screen .... that would ROCK!!

and it would be a really good example of LIVE / Cloud Computing as a real and usefull thing.

Charles said:

Having coffee tomorrow with one of the lead PMs of VPC. Just so you know that this hasn't slipped off my radar....

C

Thanks, interested to hear any news....

many things to say if i were to speak with him.

also the call in WIn 7 XP Mode to need the hardware Virt ... seems to me to have been a bad call, so many intel chip desktops and laptops that do not have it. wish they had done xp mode for vista - would have been a great thing to have had back when vista came out.