There will be NO local database access for the Windows​Phone?

JeremyJ said:

DaveK said:

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Bandwidth should always be getting better and not worse (don't tell AT&T that).  Greater demand will force carriers to improve infrastructure.  Dead areas should be fixed with repeaters.  In my town it is hard to find an area that I get no reception and every year it gets better.

 

If you need emergency information you can just throw that into a PDF document and call it a day.  Most of the things you listed are exceptions and not the rule.  I really hope something like 9/11 doesn't happen very often.

 

If you have 25,000 employees taking orders on a cellphone then I think you are doing it wrong (that is partly a joke).

 

The phone does support local storage but it just isn't in the form you want but it could work as a backup if the server isn't available.  So stream records to the server when the server is present and then store in local XML if it isn't.  Once the connection is restored then you would sync up the local records to the server and continue on.  Performance in XML would degrade if you started getting too many records but it would at least allow you to continue with your work until you get your connection back.

In an emergency you would not be able to throw that document into a pdf, because you would have no connection to the server to grab it. And the user of the app would expect the data to be on the device.

Dave K

DaveK said:

JeremyJ said:

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Shhhhh! I thought he had a  point too. I just did not want to encourage him. His demeanor was obviously just to anger me.

 

 I disagree that the phone is in a constantly connected environment. Subways, and many types of buildings can block access to the network and limited available bandwidth in cities can slow network access to unaccepatable levels. 

 

When the IPhone first came out getting data from the server was impossibly slow and people complained. Does Microsoft want the same reviews when the WindowsPhone debuts?

And say you bought a "Hints on how to survive in an emergency app". Do you want it to not work on 9-11 or when your car breaks down in the middle of nowhere? And servers go down. Do you want 25,000 employees to stop taking orders if that happens? There are lots of situations where data access will be real slow if you have to hit a server, especially if your app is constantly hitting lookup tables. And what about the unneccesary strain on the server? Microsoft has been endorsing caching data locally for years to avoid unnecessary strain on capacity, excess bandwidth cost and overloading a server.

 

Also, there needs to be a session explaining  how Microsoft recommends developers store data on the phone. I know there are alot of developers right now that just assume local SQL CE database access is a given on the WindowsPhone. Just look at some of the earlier comments on the thread.

 

If Microsoft does not want enterprise apps on the phone they should be directing enterprise developers to WM6 and giving them a few options to make apps more pretty. They should be saying stay with WindowsMobile 6 for now and we'll be ready for you in a year or two.

 

Dave K

 

 

Actually, it wasn't, I was just taking a bit of the p from your insistance that Winmob 7 be everything to all people.

I'll bet that the theoretical perfect version of the OS would need to eventually sync to a server.  Would you expect that server to be running Win3.1?

No, you wouldn't, you'd pick the right OS for the services you need.

If you need these features, then write them.  You'll likely find a number of other folks who'd be happy to benefit from your efforts, but again, it's a toy os for a consumer toy.  The fact that it can't run an enterprise syncable database isn't the end of the world.

The idea that people can do 'important business' on a pda/phone combo is just not proven by reality.  Sure, you can send emails, but every winmob OS I've ever used has had a bunch of other office mobile products that are utterly pointless.  Am I really going to sit on a train and create a spreadsheet?  No.  Create a powerpoint?  No.

If your users need a platform to gather data that needs to be synced with a db, get them real machines.

Hell, most netbooks will run Win7 and the users won't look goofy trying to scroll through a docx.

It's a phone with a cute UI bolted on that is meant to compete with another phone made by a competing company that seems to have convinced people that we should all interact with the world through a phone.

DaveK said:

AndyC said:

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I am unaware of this. Do you have any more info?

Dave K

http://www.w3.org/TR/offline-webapps/

Indeed there are more enterprise-ready OSes out there. For instance, Android or iPhoneOS will do what you want (local SQL storage).

Actually for iPhoneOS: if you are a .NET developer, you can use C#/.NET to write iPhone apps thanks to the people at the Mono project. See this website for more details: http://monotouch.net/

ScanIAm said:

DaveK said:

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Actually, it wasn't, I was just taking a bit of the p from your insistance that Winmob 7 be everything to all people.

 

I'll bet that the theoretical perfect version of the OS would need to eventually sync to a server.  Would you expect that server to be running Win3.1?

 

No, you wouldn't, you'd pick the right OS for the services you need.

 

If you need these features, then write them.  You'll likely find a number of other folks who'd be happy to benefit from your efforts, but again, it's a toy os for a consumer toy.  The fact that it can't run an enterprise syncable database isn't the end of the world.

 

The idea that people can do 'important business' on a pda/phone combo is just not proven by reality.  Sure, you can send emails, but every winmob OS I've ever used has had a bunch of other office mobile products that are utterly pointless.  Am I really going to sit on a train and create a spreadsheet?  No.  Create a powerpoint?  No.

 

If your users need a platform to gather data that needs to be synced with a db, get them real machines.

 

Hell, most netbooks will run Win7 and the users won't look goofy trying to scroll through a docx.

 

It's a phone with a cute UI bolted on that is meant to compete with another phone made by a competing company that seems to have convinced people that we should all interact with the world through a phone.

Actually, people run mission critical applications on PDAs, WM phones and even iPhones!

Go to an Apple store and buy something. While they used to use Symbol/WM devices to get the order and process the payments, now they use iPhones with magnetic card readers. And in both cases, EVERYTHING was done completely online, with zero local storage.

Now, I'm sure DaveK's application makes more money than the totality of Apple stores do, but still...

PaoloM said:

ScanIAm said:

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Actually, people run mission critical applications on PDAs, WM phones and even iPhones!

 

Go to an Apple store and buy something. While they used to use Symbol/WM devices to get the order and process the payments, now they use iPhones with magnetic card readers. And in both cases, EVERYTHING was done completely online, with zero local storage.

 

Now, I'm sure DaveK's application makes more money than the totality of Apple stores do, but still...

Hello and thanks for the input.

I've been programming for mobile devices since the Apple Newton. We used it for field data collection and it was quite profitable. In the case of the IPhone store, yes they did use Symbol devices for taking orders and now they're not IPhone but IPod Touches. What you are forgeting about the IPhone store setup  is that the users  are all in ONE ROOM or building. Of course they can get good access to a server in such a limited area. There is just no comparison between that scenario and someone who can be anywhere on the planet using an app. On top of that how do you know the devices were not backing up or saving data to a local SQLite db? And we made alot of money using Newtons before anyone at Apple could even dream of the IPhone (except of course Steve Wozniak, who may have been dreaming of the Newton 5000 being the IPhone).

Dave K

Bass said:

Indeed there are more enterprise-ready OSes out there. For instance, Android or iPhoneOS will do what you want (local SQL storage).

 

Actually for iPhoneOS: if you are a .NET developer, you can use C#/.NET to write iPhone apps thanks to the people at the Mono project. See this website for more details: http://monotouch.net/

Hello and thanks for the reply.

By Microsoft not providing local database storage on the WindowsPhone, I am now looking to develop for the IPhone/IPod/IPad and MonoTouch. I don't think Microsoft understands the consequences of its actions.

Dave K

ScanIAm said:

DaveK said:

*snip*

Actually, it wasn't, I was just taking a bit of the p from your insistance that Winmob 7 be everything to all people.

 

I'll bet that the theoretical perfect version of the OS would need to eventually sync to a server.  Would you expect that server to be running Win3.1?

 

No, you wouldn't, you'd pick the right OS for the services you need.

 

If you need these features, then write them.  You'll likely find a number of other folks who'd be happy to benefit from your efforts, but again, it's a toy os for a consumer toy.  The fact that it can't run an enterprise syncable database isn't the end of the world.

 

The idea that people can do 'important business' on a pda/phone combo is just not proven by reality.  Sure, you can send emails, but every winmob OS I've ever used has had a bunch of other office mobile products that are utterly pointless.  Am I really going to sit on a train and create a spreadsheet?  No.  Create a powerpoint?  No.

 

If your users need a platform to gather data that needs to be synced with a db, get them real machines.

 

Hell, most netbooks will run Win7 and the users won't look goofy trying to scroll through a docx.

 

It's a phone with a cute UI bolted on that is meant to compete with another phone made by a competing company that seems to have convinced people that we should all interact with the world through a phone.

I'm sorry, but important business can be done on a PDA/Phone. I know because we have been doing it since 1995. The fact that you  cannot see the possibilities is better for me (less competition).

And as far as giving someone a netbook, let someone who has 15 years experience in using handheld devices in the field, tell you:

 1) A NetBook won't last a week in the field with us, maybe not even a day

2) rugged tablets get real expensive and that big screen still won't survive more than a few drops 

3) Startup time is still way too long

4) Battery life is still too short. Give us some laptop rated for 8 hours and we'll kill it in less than 3.

5) Three pounds still gets heavy  plus you'll be needing extra batteries to do what we do. Phone is like 6 ounces.

6) You better have two hands free to use a netbook or tablet

7) Try using a netbook while you are walking. It's even hard to see where you are walking with a tablet.

8) Your not going to be able to just put a netbook or tablet  in your pocket

I know the IPad is a good size 1.5 pounds or so, is running a good, lean OS and starts up fast. It's still more of a pain to carry than a phone though. Watch how many business apps wind up on the IPad. Then Microsoft will try to put out the "Windows Phone Series 7 Pad" and oops there's no local databse access. I am just trying to get Microsoft in the game now instead of giving Apple another three year headstart. The biggest problem I see for us and the IPad, is I believe it has the built-in battery style Apple seems to be putting in everything. I don't think a single battery will work for us unless there's an easy way to charge it as we work. The Apple Newton had the greatest system ever. Big battery, ran all day (even for us) and had a special tray that you could put 4 AA batteries in and slap it into the battery bay. I've still got piles of Newtons -110's, 120's,130's, 2000's and 2100's. IPAQ's, Symbol, tablets too. The IPhone stood on the shoulders of a giant and that giant was the Newton. Thanks Woz.

I am so vocal about the issue because I want Microsoft to fix this mistake before Apple steals the show. And its not altruistic. I have a lot of .NET  experience. I don't want to switch to Apple, but I will if there is no local db access on the phone.

Your welcome to your opinions ScanIAm, I just have enough experience to know you're not speaking from experience. Open your mind to the possibilities. You're right, you are not going to read spreadsheets and word documents on the phone. But last time I checked not everyone on the planet was an accountant or a secretary.

Dave K

Bass said:

DaveK said:

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http://www.w3.org/TR/offline-webapps/

Thanks for the link

I will have to look into this and see if  HTML5 can help, how ready it is and how hard to implement it will be. A friend of mine has been suggesting I look at HTML5 for a while. I'm a little worried it may have alot of promise but not be quite ready for prime time yet.

Thanks

Dave K

DaveK said:

W3bbo said:

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You are writing apps for WindowsPhone using Silverlight so if your writing for WindowsPhone your writing it using Silverlight. Unless you are writing an XNA Game. There's no Windows Forms apps in WindowsPhone.

 

Dave K

Which means you can write an app using XNA . I am sure there will be people going that crazy route.

DaveK said:

ScanIAm said:

*snip*

I'm sorry, but important business can be done on a PDA/Phone. I know because we have been doing it since 1995. The fact that you  cannot see the possibilities is better for me (less competition).

 

And as far as giving someone a netbook, let someone who has 15 years experience in using handheld devices in the field, tell you:

 1) A NetBook won't last a week in the field with us, maybe not even a day

2) rugged tablets get real expensive and that big screen still won't survive more than a few drops 

3) Startup time is still way too long

4) Battery life is still too short. Give us some laptop rated for 8 hours and we'll kill it in less than 3.

5) Three pounds still gets heavy  plus you'll be needing extra batteries to do what we do. Phone is like 6 ounces.

6) You better have two hands free to use a netbook or tablet

7) Try using a netbook while you are walking. It's even hard to see where you are walking with a tablet.

8) Your not going to be able to just put a netbook or tablet  in your pocket

 

I know the IPad is a good size 1.5 pounds or so, is running a good, lean OS and starts up fast. It's still more of a pain to carry than a phone though. Watch how many business apps wind up on the IPad. Then Microsoft will try to put out the "Windows Phone Series 7 Pad" and oops there's no local databse access. I am just trying to get Microsoft in the game now instead of giving Apple another three year headstart. The biggest problem I see for us and the IPad, is I believe it has the built-in battery style Apple seems to be putting in everything. I don't think a single battery will work for us unless there's an easy way to charge it as we work. The Apple Newton had the greatest system ever. Big battery, ran all day (even for us) and had a special tray that you could put 4 AA batteries in and slap it into the battery bay. I've still got piles of Newtons -110's, 120's,130's, 2000's and 2100's. IPAQ's, Symbol, tablets too. The IPhone stood on the shoulders of a giant and that giant was the Newton. Thanks Woz.

 

I am so vocal about the issue because I want Microsoft to fix this mistake before Apple steals the show. And its not altruistic. I have a lot of .NET  experience. I don't want to switch to Apple, but I will if there is no local db access on the phone.

 

Your welcome to your opinions ScanIAm, I just have enough experience to know you're not speaking from experience. Open your mind to the possibilities. You're right, you are not going to read spreadsheets and word documents on the phone. But last time I checked not everyone on the planet was an accountant or a secretary.

 

Dave K

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, I forgot, since they are already starting to experiment with phones/pda's with a built-in projector, people will be reading spreadsheets and word documents with phones. Or plugging in some MIT headset that's projecting the image right into your eye or viewing the data on  a coffee table/screen.

Dave K

Sorry to forum admins. I got up this morning and accidently marked the original thread a spam. A little sleepy. Not sure how to undo that.

Sorry

DaveK

DaveK said:

ScanIAm said:

*snip*

I'm sorry, but important business can be done on a PDA/Phone. I know because we have been doing it since 1995. The fact that you  cannot see the possibilities is better for me (less competition).

 

And as far as giving someone a netbook, let someone who has 15 years experience in using handheld devices in the field, tell you:

 1) A NetBook won't last a week in the field with us, maybe not even a day

2) rugged tablets get real expensive and that big screen still won't survive more than a few drops 

3) Startup time is still way too long

4) Battery life is still too short. Give us some laptop rated for 8 hours and we'll kill it in less than 3.

5) Three pounds still gets heavy  plus you'll be needing extra batteries to do what we do. Phone is like 6 ounces.

6) You better have two hands free to use a netbook or tablet

7) Try using a netbook while you are walking. It's even hard to see where you are walking with a tablet.

8) Your not going to be able to just put a netbook or tablet  in your pocket

 

I know the IPad is a good size 1.5 pounds or so, is running a good, lean OS and starts up fast. It's still more of a pain to carry than a phone though. Watch how many business apps wind up on the IPad. Then Microsoft will try to put out the "Windows Phone Series 7 Pad" and oops there's no local databse access. I am just trying to get Microsoft in the game now instead of giving Apple another three year headstart. The biggest problem I see for us and the IPad, is I believe it has the built-in battery style Apple seems to be putting in everything. I don't think a single battery will work for us unless there's an easy way to charge it as we work. The Apple Newton had the greatest system ever. Big battery, ran all day (even for us) and had a special tray that you could put 4 AA batteries in and slap it into the battery bay. I've still got piles of Newtons -110's, 120's,130's, 2000's and 2100's. IPAQ's, Symbol, tablets too. The IPhone stood on the shoulders of a giant and that giant was the Newton. Thanks Woz.

 

I am so vocal about the issue because I want Microsoft to fix this mistake before Apple steals the show. And its not altruistic. I have a lot of .NET  experience. I don't want to switch to Apple, but I will if there is no local db access on the phone.

 

Your welcome to your opinions ScanIAm, I just have enough experience to know you're not speaking from experience. Open your mind to the possibilities. You're right, you are not going to read spreadsheets and word documents on the phone. But last time I checked not everyone on the planet was an accountant or a secretary.

 

Dave K

 

 

 

 

 

1) nor will an iPhone or a consumer Win7 phone.  There certainly must be (or will soon be) rugged netbooks.  If not, quit your job and make millions in a new market.

2) ruggedness costs more money no matter what hardware platform. 

3) The startup time on my HTC Touch is longer than that on my Win7 Desktop.  What you mean is that you never 'startup' the phone, it's just on all the time.  You can do that with any device.

4) Perhaps the battery life is short because it's expending extra cycles keeping that enterprise level software running?  Just a guess.

5) A spiral binder of paper probably weighs as much or less than a phone.  It has the advantage of a user readable 'syncable' database. 

6) What, exactly are your users doing with their other hand?  Plus, I gurantee that I can stop, place both my hands on a keyboard, and enter in an address faster than your hypothetical user can do with 1 thumb and the rest of the hand cradling the phone.

7) Yeah, other than email, which you can STILL delete, forward, or most likely ignore on a phone, exactly what is it that your fast walking, 1 thumb captain of industry needs to be doing?

8) boo-frikkin-hoo.  Once you wrap all that rugged protection around your hypothetical phone, you're going to look like a moron with a brick in your pants.

You don't know jack about me.  I'm quite familiar with what can and can't be done on a pda sized device, given that I spent a few years doing so.  I also know that even with the most advanced processors commercially available, the UI is slow, the response time is slow, the coverage sucks, browsing sucks, GPS is inaccurate at best, and nothing on the platform is ready for enterprise level work.

But keep on keepin on, Dave.  You fight the good fight.

ScanIAm said:

DaveK said:

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1) nor will an iPhone or a consumer Win7 phone.  There certainly must be (or will soon be) rugged netbooks.  If not, quit your job and make millions in a new market.

2) ruggedness costs more money no matter what hardware platform. 

3) The startup time on my HTC Touch is longer than that on my Win7 Desktop.  What you mean is that you never 'startup' the phone, it's just on all the time.  You can do that with any device.

4) Perhaps the battery life is short because it's expending extra cycles keeping that enterprise level software running?  Just a guess.

5) A spiral binder of paper probably weighs as much or less than a phone.  It has the advantage of a user readable 'syncable' database. 

6) What, exactly are your users doing with their other hand?  Plus, I gurantee that I can stop, place both my hands on a keyboard, and enter in an address faster than your hypothetical user can do with 1 thumb and the rest of the hand cradling the phone.

7) Yeah, other than email, which you can STILL delete, forward, or most likely ignore on a phone, exactly what is it that your fast walking, 1 thumb captain of industry needs to be doing?

8) boo-frikkin-hoo.  Once you wrap all that rugged protection around your hypothetical phone, you're going to look like a moron with a brick in your pants.

 

You don't know jack about me.  I'm quite familiar with what can and can't be done on a pda sized device, given that I spent a few years doing so.  I also know that even with the most advanced processors commercially available, the UI is slow, the response time is slow, the coverage sucks, browsing sucks, GPS is inaccurate at best, and nothing on the platform is ready for enterprise level work.

 

But keep on keepin on, Dave.  You fight the good fight.

Hello

How are you

In reply

1)      Put a rubber cover on your average phone and it will still outlast most rugged tablets in a drop test. Send me a check for 10-20 million and I'll start developing hardware right away.

2)      A three pound laptop or tablet with a big screen breaks a lot easier in a fall than a six ounce phone.

3)      Yeah keep your netbook running all the time and see how long it lasts.

4)      That’s the whole point. We’re doing real work, continuously.  We’re not waiting for data to come back from the server and work for us is not sending a tweet.

5)      You can pay someone to double enter data. I’ll keep the cash.

6)      They're working and making me money. Hey if all we were doing was entering an address I'd use a piece of paper. I've tested a lot of platforms. NOBODY can enter the amount of data we collect faster.

7)      You just don’t get it. We work. and we don't do much one handed typing because we wrote our software correctly.

8)      It helps to balance out my fat wallet courtesy of all the productivity increases using the devices.

Your answers don’t  back up that claim. If your UI is slow I’d take a look at your code. Ours is super fast and we’re not even using the latest processors. It's faster than workers can think of what to input.

If your talking about the WindowsPhone not being ready for enterprise level work, you are right. But the phone is not ready yet, period.

If they get local db access on it, it’ll be fine and rugged platform makers will make devices that can keep up with our heavy use of devices.

It looks like Charlie Kindle wants more consumer apps. I'm just letting him know Apple will be gunning for the enterprise, while he plays catch up with consumers. And without local db access for WndowsPhone I'll be helping them(Apple). I don't want to because Apple's devices are not real rugged. Looks like we may have to use WM6 for a while in the rougher enterprises and write some consumer apps until the phone is ready.

The devs let him know in the Q&A they want a local db and he responded he knows it's important to the enterprise. I am glad to see the pressure being brought to bear. I could tell by Charlie's demeanor he knew it was a soft spot. There was alot of "Not is this release" and he even became self-conscious when he realized he was saying it a lot.

You see the point of it all is to make more money using the technology. I'm so passionate about local db access because it's important.

Hope I answered your queries adequately.

Thanks for playing

Dave K

DaveK said:

ScanIAm said:

*snip*

Hello

How are you

In reply

1)      Put a rubber cover on your average phone and it will still outlast most rugged tablets in a drop test. Send me a check for 10-20 million and I'll start developing hardware right away.

2)      A three pound laptop or tablet with a big screen breaks a lot easier in a fall than a six ounce phone.

3)      Yeah keep your netbook running all the time and see how long it lasts.

4)      That’s the whole point. We’re doing real work, continuously.  We’re not waiting for data to come back from the server and work for us is not sending a tweet.

5)      You can pay someone to double enter data. I’ll keep the cash.

6)      They're working and making me money. Hey if all we were doing was entering an address I'd use a piece of paper. I've tested a lot of platforms. NOBODY can enter the amount of data we collect faster.

7)      You just don’t get it. We work. and we don't do much one handed typing because we wrote our software correctly.

8)      It helps to balance out my fat wallet courtesy of all the productivity increases using the devices.

 

Your answers don’t  back up that claim. If your UI is slow I’d take a look at your code. Ours is super fast and we’re not even using the latest processors. It's faster than workers can think of what to input.

If your talking about the WindowsPhone not being ready for enterprise level work, you are right. But the phone is not ready yet, period.

 

If they get local db access on it, it’ll be fine and rugged platform makers will make devices that can keep up with our heavy use of devices.

 

It looks like Charlie Kindle wants more consumer apps. I'm just letting him know Apple will be gunning for the enterprise, while he plays catch up with consumers. And without local db access for WndowsPhone I'll be helping them(Apple). I don't want to because Apple's devices are not real rugged. Looks like we may have to use WM6 for a while in the rougher enterprises and write some consumer apps until the phone is ready.

The devs let him know in the Q&A they want a local db and he responded he knows it's important to the enterprise. I am glad to see the pressure being brought to bear. I could tell by Charlie's demeanor he knew it was a soft spot. There was alot of "Not is this release" and he even became self-conscious when he realized he was saying it a lot.

 

You see the point of it all is to make more money using the technology. I'm so passionate about local db access because it's important.

 

Hope I answered your queries adequately.

 

Thanks for playing

Dave K

In case anyone missed it go to the end of the WindowsPhone intro session by Charlie Kindle and listen to the Q&A. SQL CE is not going to be available locally on the WindowsPhones schedued to be released for the "Holiday season". It's here:

http://live.visitmix.com/MIX10/Sessions/CL13

He also talks about no more updates for WM6 which means that anyone who needs to write a program needing local db access would be writing for a dead end platform (at least for Microsoft) Hello Apple.

Dave K

DaveK said:

DaveK said:

*snip*

In case anyone missed it go to the end of the WindowsPhone intro session by Charlie Kindle and listen to the Q&A. SQL CE is not going to be available locally on the WindowsPhones schedued to be released for the "Holiday season". It's here:

http://live.visitmix.com/MIX10/Sessions/CL13

 

He also talks about no more updates for WM6 which means that anyone who needs to write a program needing local db access would be writing for a dead end platform (at least for Microsoft) Hello Apple.

 

Dave K

 

 

Was just coming to this thread to add that.  At 56min into the video, he mentions that it is being worked on and will be available later.  Guess there's not much more reason to be worried that SQL CE won't be there.

Evok said:

DaveK said:

*snip*

Was just coming to this thread to add that.  At 56min into the video, he mentions that it is being worked on and will be available later.  Guess there's not much more reason to be worried that SQL CE won't be there.

Thanks for the reply.

I'm not sure how you mean that.

He went on to answer that later meant "not in this release" which means after the launch projected for the "Holiday season". That's 7 or more months from now, and there's no timeline for how long after launch they'll be ready.  I promise the world will end one day. I just don't know when. I've learned from experience not to pin my hopes on Microsoft's promises for the future even with firm dates for release. Vague promises  scare me even more. Mobile devs have waited and waited and waited. Silverlight for Mobile was delayed by multiple years.

If  you are a dev who has worked in mobile and realize it's an important feature.,please keep the pressure on Microsoft for local db access  or it could be a long wait.

Dave K

DaveK said:

ScanIAm said:

*snip*

Hello

How are you

In reply

1)      Put a rubber cover on your average phone and it will still outlast most rugged tablets in a drop test. Send me a check for 10-20 million and I'll start developing hardware right away.

2)      A three pound laptop or tablet with a big screen breaks a lot easier in a fall than a six ounce phone.

3)      Yeah keep your netbook running all the time and see how long it lasts.

4)      That’s the whole point. We’re doing real work, continuously.  We’re not waiting for data to come back from the server and work for us is not sending a tweet.

5)      You can pay someone to double enter data. I’ll keep the cash.

6)      They're working and making me money. Hey if all we were doing was entering an address I'd use a piece of paper. I've tested a lot of platforms. NOBODY can enter the amount of data we collect faster.

7)      You just don’t get it. We work. and we don't do much one handed typing because we wrote our software correctly.

8)      It helps to balance out my fat wallet courtesy of all the productivity increases using the devices.

 

Your answers don’t  back up that claim. If your UI is slow I’d take a look at your code. Ours is super fast and we’re not even using the latest processors. It's faster than workers can think of what to input.

If your talking about the WindowsPhone not being ready for enterprise level work, you are right. But the phone is not ready yet, period.

 

If they get local db access on it, it’ll be fine and rugged platform makers will make devices that can keep up with our heavy use of devices.

 

It looks like Charlie Kindle wants more consumer apps. I'm just letting him know Apple will be gunning for the enterprise, while he plays catch up with consumers. And without local db access for WndowsPhone I'll be helping them(Apple). I don't want to because Apple's devices are not real rugged. Looks like we may have to use WM6 for a while in the rougher enterprises and write some consumer apps until the phone is ready.

The devs let him know in the Q&A they want a local db and he responded he knows it's important to the enterprise. I am glad to see the pressure being brought to bear. I could tell by Charlie's demeanor he knew it was a soft spot. There was alot of "Not is this release" and he even became self-conscious when he realized he was saying it a lot.

 

You see the point of it all is to make more money using the technology. I'm so passionate about local db access because it's important.

 

Hope I answered your queries adequately.

 

Thanks for playing

Dave K

I'm so passionate about local db access because it's important.

No, you're not. You are passionate because you like to complain, if you want local db access on WP7S, there a very simple way to get it.

I'll leave the elaboration to the reader...