Marked as spam...hope others do the same.

Harlequin said:

Marked as spam...hope others do the same.

RIM: Apple drawing us in to self-made antenna debacle is unacceptable

Harlequin said:

Marked as spam...hope others do the same.

While moronic, I'm not going to mark it as spam, because all that will mean is when there is actually spam it won't get removed.

Dovella said:

Harlequin said:

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RIM: Apple drawing us in to self-made antenna debacle is unacceptable

 

 

Pick your cell phone model....almost any of them can be made to show signal attenuation, depending on variables including location and how the device is gripped...RIM devices are no exception, as the video demonstrated. Apple does not have an antenna debacle. When I place my hand or finger over the iPhone 4's weak spot, I can make the bars drop sometimes, but I've never dropped a call as a result. Apparently. other users have the same experience. For those who use their device in a location that is weak for reception, they have to figure out if the device (iPhone, Droid...take your pick), works well enough to meet their needs. If not, simply use a case or return the device...end of story. 

brichpmr said:

Dovella said:

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Pick your cell phone model....almost any of them can be made to show signal attenuation, depending on variables including location and how the device is gripped...RIM devices are no exception, as the video demonstrated. Apple does not have an antenna debacle. When I place my hand or finger over the iPhone 4's weak spot, I can make the bars drop sometimes, but I've never dropped a call as a result. Apparently. other users have the same experience. For those who use their device in a location that is weak for reception, they have to figure out if the device (iPhone, Droid...take your pick), works well enough to meet their needs. If not, simply use a case or return the device...end of story. 

It wasn't about putting your finger in the magic spot, it was about when you hold your iPhone normally parts of your palm would cover the spot much larger than a finger would, causing call dropping.

W3bbo said:

brichpmr said:

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It wasn't about putting your finger in the magic spot, it was about when you hold your iPhone normally parts of your palm would cover the spot much larger than a finger would, causing call dropping.

Either way....the palm or a finger...I get similar results. Depending on location, I'll see the bars drop in a few seconds; but no dropped calls. I'm not saying that other users are not dropping calls. I've never owned a cell phone where calls didn't occasionally drop.

brichpmr said:

W3bbo said:

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Either way....the palm or a finger...I get similar results. Depending on location, I'll see the bars drop in a few seconds; but no dropped calls. I'm not saying that other users are not dropping calls. I've never owned a cell phone where calls didn't occasionally drop.

I've never owned a phone that occasionally dropped calls.  Anyway, this isn't a problem for other manufacturers, it wasnt even a problem on the iPhone 3.  CR tested everything independently and confirmed it wasn't a problem on other phones, they dropped their recommended rating just for the iPhone 4.

Phones generally don't have conductive materials on the EXTERIOR.  They let design get in the way of engineering, its that simple.  There's already rumors of a revised iPhone 4 with a fixed antenna.

CreamFilling512 said:

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I've never owned a phone that occasionally dropped calls.  Anyway, this isn't a problem for other manufacturers, it wasnt even a problem on the iPhone 3.  CR tested everything independently and confirmed it wasn't a problem on other phones, they dropped their recommended rating just for the iPhone 4.

 

Phones generally don't have conductive materials on the EXTERIOR.  They let design get in the way of engineering, its that simple.  There's already rumors of a revised iPhone 4 with a fixed antenna.

My old Blackjack on AT&T NEVER dropped a call.

My old iPhone 2G dropped calls a lot more.

My current iPhone 3GS drops calls slightly less than his predecessor.

I don't have a iPhone 4 because I saw from the early photos how exceptionally stupid the antenna design was (and even then, I kept telling myself that they will obviously coat the antenna with something, they can't be THAT stupid, can't they?). Glad I was right, and glad to be waiting for a WP7 this fall.

PS: I really wish I could downgrade to iPhone OS 3.x, iOS4 is terrible.

PaoloM said:

CreamFilling512 said:

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My old Blackjack on AT&T NEVER dropped a call.

My old iPhone 2G dropped calls a lot more.

My current iPhone 3GS drops calls slightly less than his predecessor.

 

I don't have a iPhone 4 because I saw from the early photos how exceptionally stupid the antenna design was (and even then, I kept telling myself that they will obviously coat the antenna with something, they can't be THAT stupid, can't they?). Glad I was right, and glad to be waiting for a WP7 this fall.

 

 

PS: I really wish I could downgrade to iPhone OS 3.x, iOS4 is terrible.

Same here. I tried to downgrade but it didn't work so I'm stuck with a two hour battery life. I imagine it works better on the new iPhone models though.

brichpmr said:

W3bbo said:

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Either way....the palm or a finger...I get similar results. Depending on location, I'll see the bars drop in a few seconds; but no dropped calls. I'm not saying that other users are not dropping calls. I've never owned a cell phone where calls didn't occasionally drop.

Never had a phone that dropped a call, though I have dropped plenty of phones ... 

Ray7 said:

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Same here. I tried to downgrade but it didn't work so I'm stuck with a two hour battery life. I imagine it works better on the new iPhone models though.

Who remember this ?

I love the blatantly obvious implementation of the “Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field” and how, for the most part, the result is business as usual.

Deny there is a real problem, suggest it’s the user’s fault for holding it wrong (despite Jobs & Apple demonstrating holding it that way), change the display of the signal strength in the hope users will blame the carrier, slur the competition by claiming they are no better, and then offer a crap solution that negates the so-called advanced styling.

However, the one that floored me was the admission that, yes, it does drop more calls, but it’s only an extra 1 in 100... therefore only 1% worse. Of course, the fact that the average for dropped calls in the USA (and the average for the 3GS) is 1.5 per 100 calls, would suggest that 1% worse might possibly be... misleading? ...but I guess this is iMaths.

elmer said:

I love the blatantly obvious implementation of the “Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field” and how, for the most part, the result is business as usual.

 

Deny there is a real problem, suggest it’s the user’s fault for holding it wrong (despite Jobs & Apple demonstrating holding it that way), change the display of the signal strength in the hope users will blame the carrier, slur the competition by claiming they are no better, and then offer a crap solution that negates the so-called advanced styling.

 

However, the one that floored me was the admission that, yes, it does drop more calls, but it’s only an extra 1 in 100... therefore only 1% worse. Of course, the fact that the average for dropped calls in the USA (and the average for the 3GS) is 1.5 per 100 calls, would suggest that 1% worse might possibly be... misleading? ...but I guess this is iMaths.

It's not about probablity I think. When you talk your iPhone in area with weaker signal, if you cover the "weak spot" with your palm by holding it the way you usually do, the call will drop. If you happen to work in such area, the call drop may happen well above 50%. (Like an office that I worked a few years ago, the receiver signal immediately drops from 2 to zero when you just move one step away the door pass 2/3 of the office...) 

blowdart said:

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Awesome!!! ;

Apple is very very very.... profitable   (best quarter ever)

Mac sales up. ipad up. iphone up. ipod down (understandably)

"we have a lot of exciting ( there was a "bigger" word used - forget) coming this year" jobs

sigh.. creativity, suprise and momentum. look into it!