Any chance of a service pack?

edit: oh, and I am sending feedback via telemetry

Edit: Yes, if I recall correctly, the problem was AnkhSVN.

zian said:

I'm so glad that I'm not alone...for me, VS 2010 crashes almost every other time I press F5. And I'm just dealing with WinForms & a simple WPF project.

I had the same problem. Are you using AnkhSVN? If so, please update to the latest version and you will no longer have crashes during build.

Otherwise, VS2010 is very stable for me.

zian said:

I'm so glad that I'm not alone...for me, VS 2010 crashes almost every other time I press F5. And I'm just dealing with WinForms & a simple WPF project.

wow for me VS2010 has been really stable.

now the free version of install Shield - that will make VS 2010 crash left and right if i even open a  class file.

I wonder if you have any addons installed like that ?

I have used VS 2010 on 4 different pc's one with xp and 3 with windows 7

the only bad stuff is that install addon.

figuerres said:

zian said:

*snip*

wow for me VS2010 has been really stable.

 

now the free version of install Shield - that will make VS 2010 crash left and right if i even open a  class file.

 

I wonder if you have any addons installed like that ?

 

I have used VS 2010 on 4 different pc's one with xp and 3 with windows 7

the only bad stuff is that install addon.

vs 2010 is very stable for me aswell ... i wonder if running a 10 years old OS could be the root cause.

fabian said:

figuerres said:

*snip*

vs 2010 is very stable for me aswell ... i wonder if running a 10 years old OS could be the root cause.

I have not had any issues with it on Windows 7 64 bit at home, but I hardly code for 12 hours at a time there for the moment. I am using TFS with the only addon being the power tools and resharper; now you mention it, it may well be causing the problem, so I will remove it for a week and see how I go.

vesuvius said:

fabian said:

*snip*

I have not had any issues with it on Windows 7 64 bit at home, but I hardly code for 12 hours at a time there for the moment. I am using TFS with the only addon being the power tools and resharper; now you mention it, it may well be causing the problem, so I will remove it for a week and see how I go.

I had a coworker load what i think was re-sharper and he unloaded it as he said it made the code edit window very slow.

he is a fast typer of code.

figuerres said:

vesuvius said:

*snip*

I had a coworker load what i think was re-sharper and he unloaded it as he said it made the code edit window very slow.

he is a fast typer of code.

It is very much a benifits against hinderance thing. If you are going to install something that inspects all you code, all the time, then you are going to take a performance hit, but the benefits for me, far outweigh a slightly sluggish UI. If you have issues with resharper, then you can turn code inspection off, and run it once a week.

I know one of my devs does not use resharper and even he is experiencing crashes on XP. Unfortunately the place I work for has a policy of wiping windows 7 off, and replacing it with XP, that is their policy

vesuvius said:

figuerres said:

*snip*

It is very much a benifits against hinderance thing. If you are going to install something that inspects all you code, all the time, then you are going to take a performance hit, but the benefits for me, far outweigh a slightly sluggish UI. If you have issues with resharper, then you can turn code inspection off, and run it once a week.

 

I know one of my devs does not use resharper and even he is experiencing crashes on XP. Unfortunately the place I work for has a policy of wiping windows 7 off, and replacing it with XP, that is their policy

well as for the xp thing i would ask them to let a few machines run 7 and see how it goes.

i would point out that xp is very much an "End of life" OS and that 7 has the xp-mode VPC option for old apps.

note that in the first release the vpc / xp-mode had a hardware requirement that was later removed.

the cpu support for virtualization - ms required that then heard that way to many folks could not use xp-mode and they updated the software to not make the cpu support a requirement.

in my exp 7 does not crash the way xp can....

If you still have crashes, please send me email (scottgu@microsoft.com) and we'd be happy to have someone followup and investigate your issue.

Thanks,

Scott

Is it simply a case of checking Tools->Add-In Manager & Tools->Extension Mamager?  (I am assuming that Tools->External Tools cannot uimpact negatively on VS?)

Is there an easy way to purge everything back to a vanilla state in VS2010?

scottgu said:

We haven't seen broad reports of crashes with VS 2010 (in fact our data shows that fewer crashes are occuring with it compared with previous releases).  Many crashes we have followed-up on have been related to plugins.  If you enconter crashes please make sure you make sure all your plugins are up to date to see if that helps.

 

If you still have crashes, please send me email (scottgu@microsoft.com) and we'd be happy to have someone followup and investigate your issue.

 

Thanks,

 

Scott

I will certainly do as you have suggested Scott.

Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to respond. This is very much appreciated.

Ian2 said:

I have been experiencing some crashes with VS210.  I'm sorry to say that the add-ins that I have installed are so well integrated into the UI that I'm not quite sure what is add-in and what is VS! 

 

Is it simply a case of checking Tools->Add-In Manager & Tools->Extension Mamager?  (I am assuming that Tools->External Tools cannot uimpact negatively on VS?)

 

Is there an easy way to purge everything back to a vanilla state in VS2010?

What would be even better is a switch to load VS without any add-ons.  This way you could troubleshoot without a lot of unconfig/reconfig.

Ian2 said:

I have been experiencing some crashes with VS210.  I'm sorry to say that the add-ins that I have installed are so well integrated into the UI that I'm not quite sure what is add-in and what is VS! 

 

Is it simply a case of checking Tools->Add-In Manager & Tools->Extension Mamager?  (I am assuming that Tools->External Tools cannot uimpact negatively on VS?)

 

Is there an easy way to purge everything back to a vanilla state in VS2010?

try: devenv.exe /ResetSettings

I get quite a few crashes at startup, VS will crash when opened a couple of times then work fine for a while, then start crashing again when opened, rinse and repeat.

in vs2010, loading a small project (slightly modified win32 standard template takes a few seconds) in vs2008 it was much faster.

switching to wpf was a big bad move, i would say: switch back for gods sake!

so yes a service pack that would improve performance would be great

Mr Crash said:

honestly i liked the old vs2008 better, vs2010 is slow, and my conclusion is: wpf should not be used if you want performance

in vs2010, loading a small project (slightly modified win32 standard template takes a few seconds) in vs2008 it was much faster.

switching to wpf was a big bad move, i would say: switch back for gods sake!

 

so yes a service pack that would improve performance would be great

Do you have any additional headers etc in the Dev11 project? When you say slower, does it takes longer to see the project loaded, or it takes time to see the UI itself?

Ion Todirel said:

Mr Crash said:

*snip*

Do you have any additional headers etc in the Dev11 project? When you say slower, does it takes longer to see the project loaded, or it takes time to see the UI itself?

All it takes is for the startup to be several times longer to get perception of overall "slowness". Of course if the app has always taken forever to start since the first version you used, then it's "okay" as long as it has some advantages over competition. I recall seeing some study recently of this wish I had the link now.

In the case of vs2010, it's not just slower startup though. There's places where it's faster than 2008 but that really doesn't matter when there's many things contributing to the "overall slowness perception". For instance, if Google added some javascript and other gimmicks that cause it to open slowly every time, would I go back to old google if someone offered it? Yes. Infact I disabled all javascript from google.com to make it like it was before the moronic fade-in menu gimmicks that give the slowness perception even when technically it's not slow. The cost of course for this move is that many sites load javascript from google and so I encounter increasing amount of sites that break because any JS from google.com is in the IE zone that doesn't allow execution. As for what's up with VS. I'm using 2008 mainly until 2010 loses the slowness. I estimate it takes a hardware upgrade to get there though. (while 2008 will be even faster, it was already fast enough that it would be hard to notice the gain so perceptually 2008 will stay as fast as before while 2010 will gain speed)

Summary: I think 2010 is slower enough compared to 2008 that people will now be looking more closely at whether they really need it. I usually use the latest and greatest but for doing something really quick (like writing a script in c#/VS) I just need the editor that loads up fastest and has IntelliSense and other that type of features. In theory SuperFetch should help here but in practise in Windows 7 it doesn't do enough to bring that 5-15 second cold start for 2010 to more reasonable <2 sec that it's with 2008. (This is all without any 3rd party extensions stuff installed that I hear slow down VS startup a lot)

Ion Todirel said:

Mr Crash said:

*snip*

Do you have any additional headers etc in the Dev11 project? When you say slower, does it takes longer to see the project loaded, or it takes time to see the UI itself?

> Do you have any additional headers etc in the Dev11 project?

If i understand you correctly then, no.

> does it takes longer to see the project loaded, or it takes time to see the UI itself?
Both.
When the ui finally come up you can see a "Preparing solution" loading dialog and one time i actually saw a balloon tip popup that said something about if vs 2010 is slow click here/report it to microsoft.

(Even the compilation takes longer (compared to vs2008) but that's another issue)

Seems like with wpf the cpu does more work then with win32.

Overall vs2010 is a step back when it comes to performance, there are some good things about it like the c++0x features (although i use gcc since it supports more c++0x features).

Ion Todirel said:

Mr Crash said:

*snip*

Do you have any additional headers etc in the Dev11 project? When you say slower, does it takes longer to see the project loaded, or it takes time to see the UI itself?

I have now narrowed it down to this bug on connect. This happened 4 times yesterday in succession - lock screen = crash.

No other deveopers in my team have experienced the same issue, so this cannot be reproduced easily. Resharper have also released a crashing patch this I have just installed, so we will see how things pan out.

vesuvius said:

Ion Todirel said:

*snip*

I have now narrowed it down to this bug on connect. This happened 4 times yesterday in succession - lock screen = crash.

 

No other deveopers in my team have experienced the same issue, so this cannot be reproduced easily. Resharper have also released a crashing patch this I have just installed, so we will see how things pan out.

Don't underestimate the influence of display drivers on aplication stability. Try to obtain the latest drivers for your video card from the manufacturers website. Certain outdated embedded video card drivers from Intel have been notorious for causing application crashes.

Regards,

Peter

PeterF said:

vesuvius said:

*snip*

Don't underestimate the influence of display drivers on aplication stability. Try to obtain the latest drivers for your video card from the manufacturers website. Certain outdated embedded video card drivers from Intel have been notorious for causing application crashes.

 

Regards,

Peter

YES, my Intel display driver ruined the VS2010 or general WPF apps' rendering, now I have to use software rendering only mode, then problems all disappeared....

felix9 said:

PeterF said:

*snip*

YES, my Intel display driver ruined the VS2010 or general WPF apps' rendering, now I have to use software rendering only mode, then problems all disappeared....

My VS2010 Professional crashes everytime I close the web project, but does not crash if I close small projects.

My web project is 55.4MB, 2,801 Files and 70 Folders. This project has a small silverlight project attaches to it.

My Machine Info:
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 32 Bits
RAM: 4.00 GB
Processor: Intel Xeon

I don't have any add on, except the silverlight tools to do silverlight. I also have VS 2008 in the same box.

- Selections can sometimes not be drag and dropped,

- Editor doesn't respond anymore to a keypress (after debugging),

- Tabs are inserted in bumblebees when I switch to another line <%: [tab] Html.Conte... becomes <%: [tab][tab] Html.Conte...

- Exception while editing css file, the error dialog tries to blame it on extensions but I can continue working without restart,

- Daily crashes, no extensions/addins installed.