Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - College and C# http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - College and C# http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums en Wed, 22 May 2013 11:34:19 GMT Wed, 22 May 2013 11:34:19 GMT Rev9 28 -28 -1 Coffeehouse - College and C# First I would like to say I love the site and appreciate the outreach you are providing to developers and to apsireing developers. Having some insite to Microsofts brain is very helpful and encourages me as well as it gets me excited about future technologies from Microsoft. Secondly I would ask a question that I have also posted on theSpoke as well. http://www.thespoke.net/MyBlog/St23aM/MyBlog.aspx

Ok Ive been looking all over and have yet to find what I am looking. Which is a Online College class on C# and .NET. It seems that not a single college, even university of phoenix, doesnt offer classes in .net or C#. I am looking to go back to college and I want to take classes in technology but, I want to take programming classes in a Language I already know and enjoy, C#. Does anyone know of a place I could do this? Thank you very much for replys ahead of time. -St23aM

If someone could help me with this it would be great. Otherwise I am going to start looking into alterative education. I am planning on attending a 7day boot camp for my MCAD. However, I dont feel confident that I have reached a high enough level of understanding to just jump right into that as of yet. I would like to take some classes in C# before attend the camp. If I cannot find college classes on C# I will probably just purchase some interactive CD-Roms or Training Videos. So if anyone has any recommendations in that area please let me know as well

 

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/6357#6357 Tue, 11 May 2004 13:49:38 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/6357#6357 St23aM 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/St23aM/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# I recently received a brochure from my local Community Collage; I flipped through it and noticed that they only offered VB6 and Java courses.

 

I had a good time at Tulane University in New Orleans, but I don’t remember learning anything there. Go to MSDN,  get involved in the blogs , in no time at all you will meet many amazing people who enjoy learning by helping each other.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/fdab765f70fc4214971c9dea0119ceba#fdab765f70fc4214971c9dea0119ceba Tue, 11 May 2004 14:10:31 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/fdab765f70fc4214971c9dea0119ceba#fdab765f70fc4214971c9dea0119ceba eagle 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/eagle/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# http://www.w3schools.com has got some free online tutorials on .NET - might be worth a look - John

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/f9308bbdc98e4159b3199dea0119cee4#f9308bbdc98e4159b3199dea0119cee4 Tue, 11 May 2004 14:18:36 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/f9308bbdc98e4159b3199dea0119cee4#f9308bbdc98e4159b3199dea0119cee4 john259 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/john259/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# Wow, Thanks for the quick replies. I guess there is something else I should mention. Part of the reason its important that I find some classes in .NET and C# at a college is that I need to enroll some place full time so that I can apply for financial aid that will cover part of my training boot camp for my MCAD. The company that I plan to go with offers financing via college finanical aid or student loans and offers college credit for the camp. Also in general Id like to ask why havnt more colleges adobted .net, Is this because of how new of a technology it is ? What is Microsoft doing to evangilize to the academic community. This is important to me because well, I work for a college. Thanks for the replies keep them coming.


-St23aM

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/4600cd293af24cb4a1299dea0119cf11#4600cd293af24cb4a1299dea0119cf11 Tue, 11 May 2004 14:31:30 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/4600cd293af24cb4a1299dea0119cf11#4600cd293af24cb4a1299dea0119cf11 St23aM 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/St23aM/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# Well What I have to say may not be all that helpfull towards the MCAD (I keep meaning to prepare for that myself but I never have the time, which is a poor excuse I know) but take the classes even if they are offered in Java. I don't mean to start any arguments but C# and Java are close enough that should feel comfortable reading the code in the beginning. There will be major differences but you'll have a leg up and it never hurts to be exposed to a different language. You'll learn some interesting things through it, I can guarentee that.

My college taught in Java and it wasn't difficult at the time. I got my job and joined a VB.Net shop and was able to apply most every thing right away. I had to learn where things were in the framework much as you'll have to learn where things are in the Java API's but the C# experience will be a big help.

Like I said it may not help you for the MCAD but it will help you out in the long run.

Thanks for listening to my 2 cents,
risu

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however once you've learnt Java and C you can pretty much pickup any language from that

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/3da658e4b3444fa892079dea0119cf69#3da658e4b3444fa892079dea0119cf69 Tue, 11 May 2004 15:57:01 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/3da658e4b3444fa892079dea0119cf69#3da658e4b3444fa892079dea0119cf69 Jaz 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Jaz/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# I took classes at IKON Education Services, now defunct. I would say don't waste your time with boot camps. They are crammed sessions that nobody could totally absorb. Plus they are outrageously expensive. Books and more books. Some good ones that I have picked up come right from Microsoft Press.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/b9873f3aa06a45f0bd109dea0119cf93#b9873f3aa06a45f0bd109dea0119cf93 Tue, 11 May 2004 16:38:10 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/b9873f3aa06a45f0bd109dea0119cf93#b9873f3aa06a45f0bd109dea0119cf93 clint_hill 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/clint_hill/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# I can remember stories of MS offering incentives to professors and student for adopting .Net.  There where some of MS pushing C# as the course of choice at colleges.  I thought that was also the reasoning behind the free Xbox with the MSDN subscription.

I too wanted to go down the same path and take C# courses and have the added bonus of having it count towards a degree while learning the lanuagues but I couldn't find anywhere that was a college or university that carried it.

The problem isn't with the college or university as an organization, its the professors.  When I was still in college learning C++, I had a professor who showed us a program he wrote that demonstrated various sorting methods and timed them, bubble for instance.  Problem was the program was written for DOS and ran so fast (this is 2000 mind you) that the timing feature was pointless.  The whole course was geared towards Unix development and they offered no other languages except Basic (not Visual) and Java, which was a 400 level course.

Also they gave us a free compiler for us to use at home.  I used VC++ but when I ran into problems, my professor told me that he couldn't help because he didn't use VC++, only the free compiler.  Frustrated, I dropped out and went to a technical school.

Those profs are still there today and thought the courses have adjusted a bit (HTML, VB, JavaScript and Perl), the main course is still geared towards Unix C++ coding.  Old programmers don't always want to learn new tricks and old programmers and the main ones running the IT, IS, CSC departments at universities.  Until that changes, the curriculum won't.  There may have been a chance of it happening sooner if the .com bubble didn't burst (I hate that analogy!!) But now that the job demand has leveled off, they can stick with the same old courses that they feel are easy for them to teach and let the students deal with the .Net learning curve on their own.

I would love to go back and finish but I don't want to sit through C++ classes again while everyone grasps the concept of a for loop and OOP in a language that I already know and don't plan to use (I'm a VB man by the way).

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/a4f6f256c3bb47578c889dea0119cfc4#a4f6f256c3bb47578c889dea0119cfc4 Tue, 11 May 2004 17:00:53 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/a4f6f256c3bb47578c889dea0119cfc4#a4f6f256c3bb47578c889dea0119cfc4 Blkbam 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Blkbam/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# Yea, I understand the java thing because that was actually my first attempt at a language. I dont remember alot of it but, the syntax is so similar to C#. The college I am looking at right now only really teaches cobol, C++, and VB6 they also offer a course on Java I belive. My hope is that perhaps if it comes to it I can go there and just talk my instructer into letting me write projects in C# or C++.net so that I get familar w/ the .net framework. The whole reason fo rme taking the boot camp is basically my job may be changing and getting a MCAD would go along way towards helping me find another job. The problem is I dont have much programming job experience and I am not sure how else to go about getting some. I am a PC Technician at the moment and I do coding on my own free time. I learn best in a classroom enviroment so im just kind of feeling held back because of the fact that I cant find any classes on .net and c#. Hopefully microsoft can evangalize to the academic community a little more and encourage colleges to teach .net

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/70c9e639b88d4a329a9c9dea0119cff2#70c9e639b88d4a329a9c9dea0119cff2 Tue, 11 May 2004 17:04:24 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/70c9e639b88d4a329a9c9dea0119cff2#70c9e639b88d4a329a9c9dea0119cff2 St23aM 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/St23aM/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# I know of a C#/Windows Forms class at Sacred Heart University in Fairfield, CT (USA).  They do offer distance learning, but I don't think this class is offered as part of that program, as it's an advanced masters level course.  From what I know of the school, they are already using XP and Server 2003 in their labs, VB.NET for their VB classes, C++.NET for their C++ teaching, and obvously C#.NET (2003 for VS.NET) - they might even be using J# for the Java classes by now.  Either way, Microsoft has made a lot of software available to them, given what they're offering.

They're at http://www.sacredheart.edu - the class is "CS640"

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/89d7d0458b6646e0985b9dea0119d038#89d7d0458b6646e0985b9dea0119d038 Tue, 11 May 2004 17:08:17 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/89d7d0458b6646e0985b9dea0119d038#89d7d0458b6646e0985b9dea0119d038 RandyRants 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/RandyRants/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# Blkbam, I feel your pain. The best way to learn .net in the classroom in by training centers right now and the classes are so rediculously expensive that there is no way I would pay to take what I needed plus not have a college degree to show for it. You also hit another problem in the head, The fact that there seems to be alot of anti-microsoft pro unix/linux/open source freeware sentiment among college professors. This is one thing that linux has done very well. It got its start on university campuses and its community reflects that. Microsoft really needs to counter act this if there going to get the rest of the world to adopt there ideas such as .net . Evangalizm needs to be a Huge priority for Microsoft just as much as Security. The idea that because of the size of Microsoft and that the business community as a whole adobts nothing but Microsoft products only helps a little towards influencing developers espeically young inexperienced ones such as my self wanting to get there foot so to say in the door. This stratagy does not cover all the bases and should not be totally relied uppon. Otherwise left uncheck will have a snow ball effect where the competition (this I am sure will be debated) starts off slow but, builds by taking the foundation out slowing from its competition which is the schools that teach aspiring programmers. As well all know people tend to do what they are taught first (also debatable I know).

Sorry please forgive my short rant. Frustrations are just begining to kick in as I try and decide my future.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/1786df5e5fcb44ac9f1a9dea0119d068#1786df5e5fcb44ac9f1a9dea0119d068 Tue, 11 May 2004 17:15:37 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/1786df5e5fcb44ac9f1a9dea0119d068#1786df5e5fcb44ac9f1a9dea0119d068 St23aM 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/St23aM/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# Thanks for the link Randy I will check into it.

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Btw one other thing to add. Bill Gate once said he wanted for no matter what direction someone turned for them to be able to see something microsoft. This needs to be true for the developer on a college campus. The OS and Software doesnt pull enough of a attraction anymore for someone to say of course im going to be using a MS programming language or concept.

</Rant>


hope I didnt kill this thread. Please keep discussing.      

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/646a6858f1094855b4959dea0119d0be#646a6858f1094855b4959dea0119d0be Tue, 11 May 2004 17:22:43 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/646a6858f1094855b4959dea0119d0be#646a6858f1094855b4959dea0119d0be St23aM 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/St23aM/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# The following is based soley on my own personal experience and will definitely include stereotypes that may or may not offend. If you take offense I apologize it's not my intent to antagonize anyone but you know the saying "opinions are like [thumbs] everyone has one".

In four years of university ( decent Comp Sci program, the graduate is top 25 i think) I used one Microsoft  programming tool (Visual C) in one class (graphics using openGL in C). Every other class I took involved Java, C, ML, Prolog, Pascal. All running on unix environments.

I had one class ask questions regarding keyboard shortcuts in EMacs. This was from a prof who (supposedly) learned C by reading Unix source code when he was in college.

The university crowd (who are there primarily to do research) like playing with their little obscure languages that are very good at what they are designed for. Most do not want to teach and would not if the school did not mandate it. They definitely do not want to learn a new language unless it can help them with their research. Since VB is a psudeo-language mainly for business applications I highly doubt the universities would bother to seriously teach in it to get Comp Sci theory across. C# maybe they'll come around to teaching it but Java and C# a very silimlair so why have to go change every thing just so they can have a new language?

As for the students at these schools, majority are anti-MS pro-Linux/Unix zealots. Every single school buddy I hung with had a linux box at home by the end of school (I flirted with it as well but I'm so lazy it was just a big pain in the neck). Why would they ever care about learning an MS designed language when (insert language here) does it better?

I think it'll be a long time (if ever) before you see C# as the primary language that colleges teach in. It may not even be the best thing. I certainly appreciate the exposure I've had to some of the other languages and I feel that I can look at non VB/C# code and not be immediately lost

Again thanks for listening to my 2 cents,
Risu

If you're offended by this, think of me as a lazy hack. It'll make you feel better. If you're not offended by this you can still think of me as a lazy hack and I hope it makes you feel better. I think I'm a lazy hack and I feel better already.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/f4ce7d8abbd64eb3b1b29dea0119d0f1#f4ce7d8abbd64eb3b1b29dea0119d0f1 Tue, 11 May 2004 17:56:20 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/f4ce7d8abbd64eb3b1b29dea0119d0f1#f4ce7d8abbd64eb3b1b29dea0119d0f1 risu 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/risu/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# Hopefully mono will have some effect in reaching pro linux unix Professors and show that .net is really a concept not just a Microsoft Development Platform and that it can be used for cross platform development. I must also say that I enjoy working with linux myself I would not say im a Zealot However I do like fooling with it. As far as development, I am more interested in Microsoft technology right now because I see more of a future in it. DotNet has played a big factor into this decision. I have been attracted to many of the ideas and purposes behind DotNet. Such as component driven and Service Driven programming. I think DotNet has excelled in the area of bringing concepts that programmers have been talking about for years together and making it work well. Especially w/ C# it implements alot but, yet the syntax is so clean and I like that.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/028af5060d86421ab0ef9dea0119d121#028af5060d86421ab0ef9dea0119d121 Tue, 11 May 2004 19:16:20 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/028af5060d86421ab0ef9dea0119d121#028af5060d86421ab0ef9dea0119d121 St23aM 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/St23aM/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# I just bought this fantastic book

Build Your Own ASP.NET Website Using C# & VB.NET By Zak Ruvalcaba

http://www.sitepoint.com/books/aspnet1/

I am about half way through it and I have learned quite a bit so far.

Not sure? Read the first 4 chapters:
http://www.sitepoint.com/books/aspnet1/aspnet-sample.pdf

Enjoy!

Chris

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/ead4bd1a87bf410182f79dea0119d1aa#ead4bd1a87bf410182f79dea0119d1aa Wed, 12 May 2004 01:03:23 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/ead4bd1a87bf410182f79dea0119d1aa#ead4bd1a87bf410182f79dea0119d1aa St23aM 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/St23aM/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# I don't want to sound old school or anything, but the fact that certain Universities teach in C#, Java or C++ means little to me.  To me University was about learning new concepts -- and those concepts were best taught not in any specific language, but using math which is the basis for all computer science. 

When I was in school I grumbled how much I hated in math courses, but now that I am out (and have been out for some time) I realise that it was the fundamentals that were important, not the language.  The conepts should be taught in the abstract so they can be applied appropriately in the future no matter what the flavour of the day is.

In school you should be exposed to as many languages as possible.  As a matter of fact, I remember many of my most important CS courses, the language you chose to implement the algorithms was completely up to the student.  To me this makes sense. 

Langugages come and go, but the fundamentals stay the same.

Jason Judge

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/a40eef4a8e83408988079dea0119d233#a40eef4a8e83408988079dea0119d233 Wed, 12 May 2004 12:14:43 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/a40eef4a8e83408988079dea0119d233#a40eef4a8e83408988079dea0119d233 St23aM 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/St23aM/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C#
noop wrote:
...that certain Universities teach in C#, Java or C++ means little to me.  To me University was about learning new concepts -- and those concepts were best taught not in any specific language, but using math which is the basis for all computer science. 


I totally agree with you here.  A couple of my jobs at Microsoft have revolved around academics - the first was while I was still a student in university in Canada, helping students and faculty in technical programs (CS, Engineering) to get as much information as possible about Microsoft technologies.  The second was helping start a similar program in Europe.

My philosopy about this is exactly the same as yours.  While I'm pretty pro MS (though not completely unbiased...Wink), the world would _not_ be a good place if there was only Microsoft technologies in colleges and universities.  This wouldn't be a service to the students in any way.  I think you can say the same about any other technology.  I'm actually against having a course in any particular technology at a college or university.  That's just not what the programs are designed for - they're designed to teach you theory, and how to learn when you head out into the "real world".

That said, I think it's quite valuable to give students exposure to as many different tools and platforms as possible as they do work and assignements - both ones that Microsoft produces, as well as all others on the landscape.  This gives students the ability to pick up some practical skills while loading their minds on theory, and has the side advantage of letting them evaluate all platforms for themselves - this kind of critical analysis is a key skill for college and university graduates, so what better place to practise it!

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/262f3ec3393e43af96969dea0119d265#262f3ec3393e43af96969dea0119d265 Wed, 12 May 2004 19:25:06 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/262f3ec3393e43af96969dea0119d265#262f3ec3393e43af96969dea0119d265 cneable 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/cneable/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# If You are living in Australia, New Zealand, Canada or USA, than you can apply for a Masters course at IT Masters, this was a Masters program which was launched by Microsoft & Charles Sturt University in Australia and is a distance based course, which means you don't have to attend regular classes anywhere.

It offers courses in System Development, which incorporates Mircosoft's MCSD Certification and you can either do it in VB.NET or C#. As far as I know you can apply for the financial grants as well.

Check out the sites for more details.

Tejas.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/43d3905e69ed474c85f29dea0119d207#43d3905e69ed474c85f29dea0119d207 Wed, 12 May 2004 19:32:12 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/43d3905e69ed474c85f29dea0119d207#43d3905e69ed474c85f29dea0119d207 Tejaaa 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Tejaaa/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# I did a guest spot at a class at UMass Amherst the other day where C# was one of the languages they used. Stuart Reges from Arizona published a paper about using C# in CS1. See Can C# Replace Java in CS1 and CS2? People are starting to take C# very seriously. And of course you can download the C# compiler for free. It is part of the .NET Framework. But it doesn't include Visual Studio .NET which really makes things more fun. And frankly I don't understand why every CS department doesn't have MSDN AA. It doesnt cost much at all and if opens doors for students to learn a lot on their own.

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Tejas.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/3f331d4a0fac40288ce99dea0119d2bd#3f331d4a0fac40288ce99dea0119d2bd Thu, 13 May 2004 02:50:36 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/3f331d4a0fac40288ce99dea0119d2bd#3f331d4a0fac40288ce99dea0119d2bd Tejaaa 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Tejaaa/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# If you really want to get hard-core, there are a few universities now using the Rotor implementation of the CLR to teach classes about virtual machines, garbage collection, just-in-time compilation, etc.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/7fdaaaf1e1cd493a877e9dea0119d2e7#7fdaaaf1e1cd493a877e9dea0119d2e7 Thu, 13 May 2004 04:01:02 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/7fdaaaf1e1cd493a877e9dea0119d2e7#7fdaaaf1e1cd493a877e9dea0119d2e7 jonathanh 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/jonathanh/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# Still cannot find either a College offering C# in my area or an online college class on C# Sad. I know there are plenty of training centers offering these classes but, I cannot get financial aid for these and well im poor because I work for a college my self. what should I do. The reason I want to take the class is that I have found that I learn best in a classroom enviroment and I want to get my MCAD certification soon. If someone would be willing to guide me to a class or some other solution I would appreciate it. Thanks agian.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/99c6e56cea804fe4a2519dea0119d313#99c6e56cea804fe4a2519dea0119d313 Tue, 18 May 2004 20:19:56 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/99c6e56cea804fe4a2519dea0119d313#99c6e56cea804fe4a2519dea0119d313 St23aM 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/St23aM/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# I just graduated from DeVry University in Chicago with a BS in CIS. I started learning C# and the .NET framework a few years ago by myself, but no classes were offered in it.

Of course right after I graduate,

C# has replaced C/C++ in the curriculum. Only pure object oriented languages will be taught now.

C# and Java have replaced VB.NET. They taught VB.NET for a few semesters but have dropped it in favor of C# and Java.

Oracle and PL/SQL classes have been dropped in favor of SQL Server and T-SQL. Oddly enough, this decision was triggered by some sort of licensing disagreement or cost escalation for academic uses of Oracle.

There are some classes dealing with Perl, PHP, JSP, and ColdFusion, but ASP.NET is making a bigger impression on the school and classes will be offered exclusively on ASP.NET in the future.

I would say that DeVry Chicago is almost a complete Microsoft Shop now. Many of the new changes are migrating from DeVry Corporate also and will affect all campuses around the US and Canada. DeVry is a professional/vocational school and the curriculum is partially decided by major employers and corporations.

So, just thought some of you would like to know what kind of impression Microsoft is making out there.

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/79dc896bfad24088aca79dea0119d36d#79dc896bfad24088aca79dea0119d36d Wed, 19 May 2004 00:25:10 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/6357-College-and-C/79dc896bfad24088aca79dea0119d36d#79dc896bfad24088aca79dea0119d36d St23aM 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/St23aM/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - College and C# I just talked to you on AIM.. Smiley

And I will keep an eye out for online C# courses.

However, as a recent college grad, I am having some trouble finding a job using C#. Does anyone have any direction on starting out with this technology at entry level? I found some staff level programming positions using C# and ASP.NET out there but they're scarce and I'm starting to think your typical monster.com, hotjobs.com, computerjobs.com, dice.com, careerbuilder.com aren't the hottest places to look (not that I didn't already know that but I'm running out of ideas here).

Hell, entry level ANYTHING is hard to come by at the moment.

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