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rjdohnert
You will never know success until you know failure
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PaoloM
Hypermediocrity
You do know that Itanium is not the only 64bit CPU that Intel makes, right?
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NetRyder
Tech Junkie
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Beer28 wrote:
PS- Linux won't be a loser until Apple and Adobe starts giving away it's software.
Everyone will lose if Windows XP (or any workstation version of windows is ever made free. -
DCMonkey
What?!?
NetRyder wrote:
Heh, I just saw your post on that over on NeoWin. Great find.
I'm with you. This gives them what they need to pull this off like they did in the 68K->PPC switch.
We'll see tomorrow if the 3rd party devs accept it or pelt Steve with iPods. Divert all power to the RDF! -
W3bbo
Work hard; increase production; prevent accidents, and be happy.
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Dr. Shim
Inaniloquent monomathical people inlapidate me.
W3bbo wrote:
That's what the article concluded as well, and I agree! If I can get a boxed version of OS X in the store, it'll be a big win for the consumer. -
MisterDonut
The Disco Godfather
To help those people who want to "Switch".
Apple should develop USB flash drives (bootable, of course, at least 1.0 gig), which would launch a program when entered into a windows computer. It would allow people to archive important documents, mail settings, internet settings, etc., and store them on the key.
Then, when you re-boot, you you boot from the key, which then installs the OS X (built for X86 archetecture) over the existing OS. Then, it applies all of the settings you saved to the flash drive.
Lot of what-ifs (assuming there are applicable drivers, USB-Boot capable system, etc., ). But, in theory, it's a cool idea. "Apple on a key".
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manickernel
anticipate consequences..
NetRyder wrote:
From the article:"near-native computational performance"
Since Job's beef with IBM is that they have bottlenecked with processor developement I would wonder at a solution that might exacerbate that...and Apple purists (are there any other kind) would not take kindly to running on hardware that "pretends".
I think Intel is just going to start building G5/6 processors. -
On the consumer becoming the winner in all of this...I thought Jeff Duntemann had an interesting take on this in his June 4, 2005 entry:
http://www.duntemann.com/Diary.htm
Jeff Duntemann wrote:What we will see are cheaper Mac systems, which will bolster Apple as a company and keep the Mac platform in the running. And what I'd like to eventually see is a system in which Windows and OS X are both preinstalled on PCs, and you get sixty days to try them both before paying to activate one and delete (or ignore) the other. All the endless arguments about which environment is better would fall to real numbers: Users would decide, and we would know.
I think that is a great idea. Give the user base a choice, and let them pick the best system for their needs.
By the way, as a former Apple developer (Apple II era), all I can say is with all the architecture changes for Apple, I'm amazed there are even any third-pary Apple developers left. Having spent the past few years picking up a lot x86 stuff now, part of me is happy for the switch and the other part is saying "WTF?". How many times is Apple going to burn its developer base? -
W3bbo
Work hard; increase production; prevent accidents, and be happy.
Seeming as I haven't RTFA (nor do I have the time) can someone answer these questions for me quickly?
a) Has Apple decided to make Intel make the processors for their computers?
b) What CPU is Intel making for Apple? (ie: Is Intel just another MFG for the G5 chips?)
c) Where does it say that Intel is making x86 chips for Apple?
d) Where does it say that Intel is making Itanium/Itanium2 chips for Apple?
e) Where does it say that Intel is making x86-Xeon chips for Apple?
f) Where does it say that Intel is just making "chips" for Apple without any information about what type of chip it is? -
MisterDonut
The Disco Godfather
W3bbo wrote:Seeming as I haven't RTFA (nor do I have the time) can someone answer these questions for me quickly?
a) Has Apple decided to make Intel make the processors for their computers?
b) What CPU is Intel making for Apple? (ie: Is Intel just another MFG for the G5 chips?)
c) Where does it say that Intel is making x86 chips for Apple?
d) Where does it say that Intel is making Itanium/Itanium2 chips for Apple?
e) Where does it say that Intel is making x86-Xeon chips for Apple?
f) Where does it say that Intel is just making "chips" for Apple without any information about what type of chip it is?
The whole point of *speculation* is that we don't know the answers.. We're guessing.. And we're all probably wrong..
Seriously, your point is well taken by me, W3bbo..
We should find out soon enough.
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Sven Groot
I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favourite store on the Citadel.
W3bbo wrote:f) Where does it say that Intel is just making "chips" for Apple without any information about what type of chip it is?
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W3bbo
Work hard; increase production; prevent accidents, and be happy.
Sven Groot wrote:
W3bbo wrote:f) Where does it say that Intel is just making "chips" for Apple without any information about what type of chip it is?
Personally, I think Intel is making potato chips for Apple.
How about Cow Chips?
</Dilbert reference>
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NetRyder
Tech Junkie
manickernel wrote:
NetRyder wrote:My final bet is on QuickTransit. 
From the article:"near-native computational performance"
Since Job's beef with IBM is that they have bottlenecked with processor developement I would wonder at a solution that might exacerbate that...and Apple purists (are there any other kind) would not take kindly to running on hardware that "pretends".
I think Intel is just going to start building G5/6 processors.
Yeah, I took that into consideration. I'm thinking this will just be an initial migration path to give software vendors enough time to push out native x86 versions of their applications, which will eventually take over.
It was just an observation. I'm sticking to the bet, but even if it doesn't happen, it's still interesting to know that Apple and Transitive have been collaborating. If not for this reason, then why? =)
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BUT WHAT PROCESSOR TYPE! F*%king apple ... x86? x86-64? Duel/Multi-Core? What?!
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