Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - What is Microsoft doing about GMail? http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - What is Microsoft doing about GMail? http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums en Mon, 20 May 2013 21:34:13 GMT Mon, 20 May 2013 21:34:13 GMT Rev9 24 -24 -1 Coffeehouse - What is Microsoft doing about GMail? I'd like to know what Microsoft is going to do?

Personally, I'd like to see Microsoft introduce 1GB free hotmail with full search capabilities.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/7361#7361 Thu, 20 May 2004 00:00:28 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/7361#7361 Shining Arcanine 24 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Shining Arcanine/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - What is Microsoft doing about GMail? Personally I don't think MS would give 1GB email storage space for free even Google does that. But I would like to get an Gmail account ASAP. Smiley

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BruceLee wrote:
Personally I don't think MS would give 1GB email storage space for free even Google does that. But I would like to get an Gmail account ASAP. Smiley


Microsoft has to do something, otherwise they will lose customers to Google's GMail.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/067b5cabae684a878dcf9dea011af4c8#067b5cabae684a878dcf9dea011af4c8 Thu, 20 May 2004 02:13:02 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/067b5cabae684a878dcf9dea011af4c8#067b5cabae684a878dcf9dea011af4c8 Shining Arcanine 24 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Shining Arcanine/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - What is Microsoft doing about GMail? MS is probably just waiting patiently for google to set the precident that it's OK to spy on people by reading their e-mail, then start doing it themselves.

Gmail is evil. Big Brother is watching you, etc.

John.

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jj5 wrote:
MS is probably just waiting patiently for google to set the precident that it's OK to spy on people by reading their e-mail, then start doing it themselves.

Gmail is evil. Big Brother is watching you, etc.

John.


Google is not spying on people. It indexes emails, records which emails you view and then serves ads that are similiar to what you like to view. It is in the TOS agreement.

By the way, don't compare Google to Communism, there is a huge difference.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/631d4610a03049d4a4799dea011af51f#631d4610a03049d4a4799dea011af51f Thu, 20 May 2004 12:11:00 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/631d4610a03049d4a4799dea011af51f#631d4610a03049d4a4799dea011af51f Shining Arcanine 24 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Shining Arcanine/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - What is Microsoft doing about GMail? Obviously I can only speak for myself of course, but unless MSFT and Hotmail do *something* about it, they're gonna lose my business in a heartbeat. I can't wait to get a GMail account. I'm sick of all of the intrusive advertising I have to put up with when I use my Hotmail account. You want to put some context-sensitive text-based ads over on the side of the screen for me? OK, that's cool, I can deal with that. But seeing a bunch of ugly-flashing-bright-red-and-green lies that tell me I just won a DVD player and all I have to do is "Click here to claim your prize" is getting REALLY old, and I for one can't wait to get away from it. Especially considering that I actually forked over cash just to be able to upgrade to 10 whole MB of e-mail storage, and I still have to look at those stupid ads. I also know a number of people personally who feel the same way. So yeah, MSFT *will* lose business if they don't do something about it.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/29328ff5d45046dd996a9dea011af54d#29328ff5d45046dd996a9dea011af54d Thu, 20 May 2004 15:38:20 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/29328ff5d45046dd996a9dea011af54d#29328ff5d45046dd996a9dea011af54d ryexley 24 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/ryexley/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - What is Microsoft doing about GMail? i think most people will move to gmail in a heartbeat. The only reason for hotmail is so XP stops bugging you about passport, and for an offline message depository for Messenger.

Most of us ( i assume ) have real emails, to domains we own for our "real" email.

But anyone actually USING free email will go to gmail.

The core idea is free storage for all your photos and messages that you will never have to delete.  A good example of a new competitor would be - Walmart + Free Linux + free Google/Gmail machines. - Also - google actually WANTS you to upload your photos, so they can index them and add them to global search engine ( not nickel and dime you for everything you upload)

Dont see how MS will compete with this - as they like to CHARGE at EVERY juncture ( OS / Extra storage / Ads / Spam mail lists / Included paid links )

It does not take a geneius to see MS wants cash at too many places. Revenue! Revenue! Revenue!

Cows only have so much milk to give.

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ryexley wrote:

I'm sick of all of the intrusive advertising I have to put up with when I use my Hotmail account.[...]But seeing a bunch of ugly-flashing-bright-red-and-green lies that tell me I just won a DVD player and all I have to do is "Click here to claim your prize" is getting REALLY old


I agree with you 100%. It's horrible. Even the ads in MSN Messenger bugs me. To the point that I've installed an Ad Blocking Hosts file to get rid of some of the ad garbage on that and other sites.

The only time I visit MSN/Hotmail is to log in once every 20 days. Accessing it from Outlook apparently does not count. I have also not found any way to have more than one HTTP (hotmail) account with Outlook. As soon as I add another, both just times out when I check for mail.

Recently I got a spam from Hotmail staff saying that the McAfee virus scan is a feature of the subscription package. In other words, I guess its removed from the free service. Wierd.

I know it's free. And if I don't like it - I shouldn't use it. And one day it's declined to the point that I will actually do that.

/Lars.

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/98e2625d677a4f2e8ae09dea011af5fb#98e2625d677a4f2e8ae09dea011af5fb Thu, 20 May 2004 18:51:41 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/98e2625d677a4f2e8ae09dea011af5fb#98e2625d677a4f2e8ae09dea011af5fb ryexley 24 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/ryexley/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - What is Microsoft doing about GMail? LycosMail UK offers 10MB free (but LycosMail US only seems to offer 5MB - still more than hotmail though). I wouldn't be surprised if Hotmail offered the least space (2MB is pretty pathetic - especially when you can probably get that much spam in a few days). What does Hotmail offer over other providers? It seems you only get 10MB, and many providers provide more than that, for less (and perhaps no ads too). Also can you get Hotmail via POP3?

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/32cb798ff2ec40768cbb9dea011af627#32cb798ff2ec40768cbb9dea011af627 Thu, 20 May 2004 19:32:57 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/32cb798ff2ec40768cbb9dea011af627#32cb798ff2ec40768cbb9dea011af627 sbc 24 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/sbc/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - What is Microsoft doing about GMail? You can get Hotmail via POP3. Also, it's the best anti-spam I've seen from any free provider. Nobody yet knows how good GMail's is, so we'll have to see, you might need that GB of space Wink

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/ea6ce928038744aaa3009dea011af651#ea6ce928038744aaa3009dea011af651 Thu, 20 May 2004 19:36:09 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/ea6ce928038744aaa3009dea011af651#ea6ce928038744aaa3009dea011af651 Jeremy W 24 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Jeremy W/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - What is Microsoft doing about GMail? Hotmail POP3 without 3rd party software?

/Lars.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/f3372a5c0f7f4e9c832a9dea011af67b#f3372a5c0f7f4e9c832a9dea011af67b Thu, 20 May 2004 20:22:25 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/f3372a5c0f7f4e9c832a9dea011af67b#f3372a5c0f7f4e9c832a9dea011af67b lars 24 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/lars/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - What is Microsoft doing about GMail? I've done it to our Exchange Server, so I'm guessing you can. I haven't used my Hotmail account in years though, so I really can't speak authoritatively Smiley

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/ac5b69ce791648a399f79dea011af6a5#ac5b69ce791648a399f79dea011af6a5 Thu, 20 May 2004 20:32:15 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/ac5b69ce791648a399f79dea011af6a5#ac5b69ce791648a399f79dea011af6a5 Jeremy W 24 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Jeremy W/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - What is Microsoft doing about GMail? I did a quick google and it turned up a couple of programs that would "web2pop". No info about how to pop directly from Hotmail tho. I'd like to do that if it's possible. That would be sweet. And it would take care of my problem with multiple hotmail accounts not working in Outlook (is it possible at all?).

/Lars.

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They just posted this today

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jamie wrote:


So does this mean they will stop forcing the google toolbar down my throat when I install Real Networks or was it Quicktime I can't remember now...

~ Knute

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/e6ffe80b1b2040d181549dea011af757#e6ffe80b1b2040d181549dea011af757 Thu, 20 May 2004 21:57:14 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/e6ffe80b1b2040d181549dea011af757#e6ffe80b1b2040d181549dea011af757 sbc 24 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/sbc/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - What is Microsoft doing about GMail? what if ms were to partner with google..
(hear me out..)

the answer to this post is: Use/get ALL

@hotmail
@msn
@gmail

they tried to buy them ... didnt work out - aol actually owns more i believe.

but instead of DEMOLISHING google - a brand and service it is clear that consumers and even devs like, they supported it - made them the defacto search - capitalised on all that do -good touchy feely google stuff - "do no evil"

you cant buy them - but if you could even INCLUDE them in windows search/mail to run / with you.. - it would do alot in repairing ms CRUSH COMPETITORS notions -

ya- search is hot - but people like google - WAY more than netscape.. Google has spent 5 years being cute and bunnyrabbit simple ( most valuable global brand 2004). Crushing them will be your undoing ( i believe anyway)

"we have only to remove those who oppose us"

not.


ps - ya i know... "Google is pathetic compared to what we want to do"
Jim Alchin 2004

translation: everyones favourite site is crap to ms - *insulting customers is a no no Wink

PPS - youd have to view them as a "Saturn" within GM but that you didnt own
*Saturn is notorious for NOT doing anything GM corp wants all brands to do

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/199f5c083c854bac99349dea011af785#199f5c083c854bac99349dea011af785 Fri, 21 May 2004 02:54:22 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/199f5c083c854bac99349dea011af785#199f5c083c854bac99349dea011af785 me 24 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/jamie/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - What is Microsoft doing about GMail? Partnering with Google may be a good idea. They already have the expertise and it will save both time and money. Also, other companies could partner with Google (i.e. RedHat, Novell, IBM) and a cross-browser cross-platform search would be possible - you could do a search on any desktop/device. Also you would reach out to non-Windows users (which probably never use MSN search).

However, it may not be good for competition, but you could always have multiple partners (choice to search with Yahoo, Google or AllTheWeb - or search them all at once and have one big search).

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/cf2952b194b64631975e9dea011af7b1#cf2952b194b64631975e9dea011af7b1 Fri, 21 May 2004 09:03:43 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/7361-What-is-Microsoft-doing-about-GMail/cf2952b194b64631975e9dea011af7b1#cf2952b194b64631975e9dea011af7b1 sbc 24 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/sbc/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - What is Microsoft doing about GMail? GMail accounts are going for $60-70 on eBay now. That's just nuts! I'm curious and would like to have a first hand look at it. But seriously, what's wrong with people!

/Lars.

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http://news.com.com/Lawmaker+tones+down+anti-Gmail+bill/2100-1025_3-5220492.html?tag=nefd.top

COURT:

1. - its ok for machines to read stuff + LAW = you cant show employees

2. You HAVE to delete emails if user says so

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It just doesn't give me anything useful, I have my own domain, webmail access to a decently spam filtered email address so what does gmail offer me apart from adverts?

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Email is email. It's not that I need another account. I'm just curious by nature.

/Lars.

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