Oct 3.

Presentation: "Closing Keynote: A yet to be disclosed project in the Development Tools space"
Time: Wednesday 17:00 - 17:50 / Location: To be announced

TBA

Anders Hejlsberg, Microsoft

And interestingly, Erik Meijer is also there in the speakers list, but no presentation info yet.

http://gotocon.com/aarhus-2012/speaker/Erik+Meijer

https://twitter.com/headinthebox/status/232929349089775617/photo/1/large

but what will Anders reveal ???

15 minutes ago, felix9 wrote

hmm... maybe Erik can show some demo of this (MSIL2JS)

https://twitter.com/headinthebox/status/232929349089775617/photo/1/large

but what will Anders reveal ???

"This was our main demo for IL2JS; a complete (albeit simple) 3D graphics engine generating thousands and thousands of DIVs." - Erik

That picture certainly peaked my curiosity ... Brian and Erik were working on this together with Jeff Lau. 

Not sure what Anders will be talking about, perhaps Tesla if both Erik and he are involved?  Pure speculation.

C

1 hour ago, Charles wrote

Maybe C9 needs to be there, eh?

C

Wouldn't have it any other way!

Personally I hope Anders will release that QBASIC for Roslyn project, that'll be FUN for me.

OK, jokes aside, speculation goes on , now maybe we should watch this panel of Lang.NEXT again.

As quoted by Darryl K. Taft

However, Hejlsberg added; "Java used to be cross-platform but is no longer cross-platform; the new cross-platform language in town is JavaScript."

Goaded by Meijer as to whether it is possible to write big programs in JavaScript, Hejlsberg replied, "Yes, you can, but you can't maintain them," much to the delight of the crowd that featured several prominent language and tools designers. "I think there are some unmet needs there," Hejlsberg added.

So will Anders meet the needs here ? or have Erik solved the deep philosophical questions ?

It's either that, or we might see the first traces of .NET 5, that'll be totally unexpected though.

Tesla had a plan for 5 years, in 2007, lets see whats in the store this time.

But after all these speculations, I really want to see DevDiv finished the Win8 wave and continue with their own adventures for projects survived the Sinofsky reset.

But after all these speculations, I really want to see DevDiv finished the Win8 wave and continue with their own adventures for projects survived the Sinofsky reset.

Exactly what I look forward to.   Lots of developers all up in fear about Win 8 but cooler heads prevail and move technology forward again and not backwards.  

Depends what you mean by platform.   Lots of platforms in this world. 

Now we have no idea about Anders' annoucement again. 40 days to go.

on the plus side, there is more hope for QBASIC for Roslyn now

41 minutes ago, TomboRombo wrote

Thats dissappointing that a guy with his accomplishments would have to lower himself to Javascript improvements.   I thought more highly of him than that.   I guess he is pulling the corporate tow line so he can collect a paycheck but I just did not think he was a sellout.    I guess I am wrong.

"A sellout"?    Why, for working on tools shared across languages ... sheesh.  That's what .NET was always about - having many languages, so anyway you can tie the runtimes together via tooling and what not, the better. 

Also,  I dont think the languages thing was really more than a marketing ploy.   Microsoft needed to compete with Java and C# would have sufficed but they heard a loud cry from the VB guys.  C# was not a stretch for C/C++ or Java guys but was a big leap for VB and that is how Microsoft pleased everyone.  Javascript, on the other hand, was invented to get some functionality in browsers which started out as text viewers.  I still would have preferred the silverlight route and they could have won if they beat out apple and google on the phone platform.

He would have to screw up pretty badly to take the sheen off his past accomplishments would he not?

JavaScript is the assembly language, right ?

1 hour ago, LiquidBoy wrote

exactly my point, turn JS/HTML/CSS (web) into just an assembly layer, let the tooling/compiler generate that mess.. I can't see why we arnt there yet, im guessing we are very close!

Two reasons I can think of right away ... debugging the generated JavaScript and graphics.  The paper referenced in this thread (well, the photo), is one solution.  I am not so sure they are going to do IL to JS anymore ... but they may have another approach. ...

http://gotocon.com/aarhus-2012/speaker/Steve+Lucco

And his presentation is also not disclosed yet, 'JavaScript 5' is not EcmaScript 5, it only means its the 5th presentation in the JavaScript track.

And he doesn't even have a biography. fortunately, someone saved a copy from microsoft.com

Steven E. Lucco is currently the chief architect for the Microsoft Browser Programmability and Tools (BPT) team. BPT builds the Internet Explorer's Chakra Javascript script engine, as well as the Visual Studio tools for creating scalable, efficient Web client applications.

So he is also the JavaScript engine/tooling guy, and formerly a .NET/CLR guy, coincidence ?

This doesn't smell like simple node.js tools like anodejs.org or even Azure SDK for node.js to me, something else ?

http://www.websharper.com/

Perhaps it's similar but for C# and VB?

The presentation of Steve Lucco is actually about Chakra, nothing mysterious.

Still interesting nontheless though, I hope it will be recorded and published on InfoQ.com

http://www.zdnet.com/whats-microsofts-father-of-cs-next-trick-7000004226/

So, as we narrowed down the possibilities, let me try it once more, with speculations going full steam ahead.

Assumtions:
1, Anders doesn't like coding in JavaScript directly, at all.
2, Its unlikely that Anders will invent a new language like Dart/CoffeeScript.
3, Simply put MSIL2JS there is not optimal, so its more about tooling.

So, as Roslyn has a scripting API, with fully dynamic REPL support, maybe we will see a Roslyn based client-side web development environment, provides Edit&Refresh dev experience, using C#/VB or C#Script(csx)/VBScript(vbx) as the development language, MSIL2JS as compiler backend, TypeProvider-like dynamic integration of data sources and Web API, Razor-like HTML mixing, etc. Now the question is, does it support XAML ?????

So, Steve Lucco for the runtime (Chakra), Erik Meijer for the bridge (MSIL2JS), Anders for the language and tooling (Roslyn), three pillars of something ?

But a more impotant question is, how will this deliver more value than http://sharpkit.net/ or http://www.componentart.com/products/mds/ ???

OK, as Charles said, its all about fun, but there is definetely more fun for hits than misses, so lets wait and see, 20 days to go.

C

On Jomo Fisher's linkedin page: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jomof

Senior Software Engineer (JavaScript Team)
Microsoft
September 2010 – January 2012 (1 year 5 months) JavaScript Language Team
Most recently, my work has been on the JavaScript programming language. My focus has been on performance and language innovation. I will post more details as they are made public by Microsoft.

JS engine developers tend to spend a lot time optimizing the JS engine they work on...

Perhaps Jomo thinks the work he did was more invention than what it actually was: implementing the JS standard, engine performance tuning...

You can do the simple math here, Felix.

C

It would be nice to have something like SuperPreview for JavaScript.

-Josh

Think of it as the Roslyn front-end AST implementation but only utilizing the C# 'dynamic' bits.

This will allow the Visual Studio front end to provide the 'smarts' needed for large program maintainability that Anders has previously identified as and issue. For example, better lint checking and industry-leading refactoring support.

As the Windows team commit to even better WinJS support, this is a vital component in the toolchain.

Especially, some work from Nikhil Swamy or Ben Livshits

http://research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/default.aspx?id=168635
http://research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/default.aspx?id=161885
http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/nswamy/supp/index.html