Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Erik Meijer want to standarize NoSql http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Erik Meijer want to standarize NoSql http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums en Fri, 24 May 2013 10:08:00 GMT Fri, 24 May 2013 10:08:00 GMT Rev9 11 -11 -1 Coffeehouse - Erik Meijer want to standarize NoSql The nascent noSQL market is extremely fragmented, with many competing vendors and technologies. Programming, deploying, and managing noSQL solutions requires specialized and low-level knowledge that does not easily carry over from one vendor's product to another.

A necessary condition for the network effect to take off in the noSQL database market is the availability of a common abstract mathematical data model and an associated query language for noSQL that removes product differentiation at the logical level and instead shifts competition to the physical and operational level. The availability of such a common mathematical underpinning of all major noSQL databases can provide enough critical mass to convince businesses, developers, educational institutions, etc. to invest in noSQL.

In this article we developed a mathematical data model for the most common form of noSQL—namely, key-value stores as the mathematical dual of SQL's foreign-/primary-key stores. Because of this deep and beautiful connection, we propose changing the name of noSQL to coSQL. Moreover, we show that monads and monad comprehensions (i.e., LINQ) provide a common query mechanism for both SQL and coSQL and that many of the strengths and weaknesses of SQL and coSQL naturally follow from the mathematics.

In contrast to common belief, the question of big versus small data is orthogonal to the question of SQL versus coSQL. While the coSQL model naturally supports extreme sharding, the fact that it does not require strong typing and normalization makes it attractive for "small" data as well. On the other hand, it is possible to scale SQL databases by careful partitioning.

What this all means is that coSQL and SQL are not in conflict, like good and evil. Instead they are two opposites that coexist in harmony and can transmute into each other like yin and yang. Because of the common query language based on monads, both can be implemented using the same principles.

A Co-Relational Model of Data for Large Shared Data Banks
Contrary to popular belief, SQL and noSQL are really just two sides of the same coin.
http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1961297
Erik Meijer, Gavin Bierman

Microsoft researchers: NoSQL needs standardization
http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/microsoft-researchers-nosql-needs-standardization-977

 

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Erik-Meijer-want-to-standarize-NoSql/804eb8239a4b4a049ae09ebe005793b3#804eb8239a4b4a049ae09ebe005793b3 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 05:18:51 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Erik-Meijer-want-to-standarize-NoSql/804eb8239a4b4a049ae09ebe005793b3#804eb8239a4b4a049ae09ebe005793b3 Richard Anthony Hein 11 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Richard.Hein/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Erik Meijer want to standarize NoSql The talk was good too.

-Josh

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Erik-Meijer-want-to-standarize-NoSql/ebd8238d651a4731bbaf9ebf012248f7#ebd8238d651a4731bbaf9ebf012248f7 Fri, 08 Apr 2011 17:36:53 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Erik-Meijer-want-to-standarize-NoSql/ebd8238d651a4731bbaf9ebf012248f7#ebd8238d651a4731bbaf9ebf012248f7 Allan Lindqvist 11 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/aL_/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Erik Meijer want to standarize NoSql My first exposure to the concept was a .Net UG talk I saw recently about RavenDB.  I like how entities are stored along with related entities in context rather than having to search a giant table for all the child rows that have an FK to a parent, etc.  I suspect that reporting might be a challenge, tho.

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, exoteric wrote

This is begging for a Beckman-Meijer E2E Smiley

Smiley I'll ask them! Great idea.
C

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