Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums en Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:23:43 GMT Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:23:43 GMT Rev9 22 -22 -1 Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead Expression Blend will be rolled into Visual Studio 2012 Update 2. Expression Web and Design are no longer for sale (and a free download).

http://expression.microsoft.com/en-US/

Re Blend: It's about time. Re the rest: Meh.

 

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/5bbe213056d149e1a3a1a12e00271b85#5bbe213056d149e1a3a1a12e00271b85 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 02:22:23 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/5bbe213056d149e1a3a1a12e00271b85#5bbe213056d149e1a3a1a12e00271b85 DCMonkey 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/DCMonkey/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead Is it swiss design if it is done in notepad?

-Josh

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/37e1dd71151643528a02a12e00448ec9#37e1dd71151643528a02a12e00448ec9 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 04:09:36 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/37e1dd71151643528a02a12e00448ec9#37e1dd71151643528a02a12e00448ec9 Joshua Ross 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Jsoh/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead With that title I was expecting some pseudo intellectual manifesto or something.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/766701babb064f349fd6a12e00644775#766701babb064f349fd6a12e00644775 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 06:05:06 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/766701babb064f349fd6a12e00644775#766701babb064f349fd6a12e00644775 gcorcoran 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/gcorcoran/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead I can now use the vector graphics designer for free?

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/fc342c2036974dcb91d2a12e0065a0b1#fc342c2036974dcb91d2a12e0065a0b1 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 06:10:00 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/fc342c2036974dcb91d2a12e0065a0b1#fc342c2036974dcb91d2a12e0065a0b1 magicalclick 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/magicalclick/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead The only one I'll really miss is Encoder. IMHO it's the best encoder I've ever used.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/c72f1722392549a68fa8a12e007f5074#c72f1722392549a68fa8a12e007f5074 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 07:43:32 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/c72f1722392549a68fa8a12e007f5074#c72f1722392549a68fa8a12e007f5074 kettch 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/kettch/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead
  1. I got lost in the roadmap of developer/designer tools from Microsoft, anyone care to point me to a simple diagram of the offerings?
  2. http://designisphilosophy.com/microsoft-expression-web/microsoft-abandons-expression-web-and-front-end-web-development/ after betting the farm of these tools, this guy is perty pissed. His take is that Microsoft is risking irrelevancy.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/486cdcc14bba4f338400a12e00c4194b#486cdcc14bba4f338400a12e00c4194b Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:53:58 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/486cdcc14bba4f338400a12e00c4194b#486cdcc14bba4f338400a12e00c4194b fanbaby 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/fanbaby/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead I like the Expression tools, but I am a developer and they were really aimed at Designers who were/are just ensconced in their use of Photoshop.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/b2b9766a920d4814840ea12e00c45058#b2b9766a920d4814840ea12e00c45058 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:54:45 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/b2b9766a920d4814840ea12e00c45058#b2b9766a920d4814840ea12e00c45058 Ian Walker 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Ian2/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead Expression Web is now available as a free download from the Microsoft Download Center, and no new versions will be developed.

Well, at least some things have ended on this date.

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, kettch wrote

The only one I'll really miss is Encoder. IMHO it's the best encoder I've ever used.

Yeah, I hope they will have a replacement in the future.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/6d626036d95c4c93b9d2a12e00e3242a#6d626036d95c4c93b9d2a12e00e3242a Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:46:59 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/6d626036d95c4c93b9d2a12e00e3242a#6d626036d95c4c93b9d2a12e00e3242a ZippyV 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/ZippyV/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead

, fanbaby wrote

  1. ...
  2. http://designisphilosophy.com/microsoft-expression-web/microsoft-abandons-expression-web-and-front-end-web-development/ after betting the farm of these tools, this guy is perty pissed. His take is that Microsoft is risking irrelevancy.

Microsoft has 3 applications for front-end website development:

  • Expression Web
  • Web Matrix
  • Visual Studio

They had to kill one of them.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/3b92a6fe81464e6aa220a12e00e4a6cf#3b92a6fe81464e6aa220a12e00e4a6cf Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:52:29 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/3b92a6fe81464e6aa220a12e00e4a6cf#3b92a6fe81464e6aa220a12e00e4a6cf ZippyV 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/ZippyV/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead Well I am not happy with some of the things they are saying, some I have been expecting but here are my issues:

1) Expression Design:  a great tool for talking a Photoshop file and pulling out some of the layers to create xaml to use in VS and Blend, if they are not creating any new updates then as Photoshop file format changes what tool will replace that function ?

2) Expression Web Super Preview :  great tool for side by side checking of html / web site rendering

will we still have that in some form or is that just dead now ?

3) Expression Web:   sometimes I preferred to tinker with CSS in this tool as it's UI and way of working were a bit different than VS and was useful for that.

I hope that the merge of tools manages to keep the advanced bits of blend working in VS or I will have to keep using the old blend until xaml is really gone...

 

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/6b8e8e69f4864c699d7ca12e00e4f19a#6b8e8e69f4864c699d7ca12e00e4f19a Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:53:33 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/6b8e8e69f4864c699d7ca12e00e4f19a#6b8e8e69f4864c699d7ca12e00e4f19a figuerres 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/figuerres/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead Not a biggy for me. I use Blend for XAML design. I think this is a good thing and that rolling Blend's features into VS makes sense. I tired of having to move between Blend and VS during development.  

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/d989819640ee4830b800a12e00ea23c8#d989819640ee4830b800a12e00ea23c8 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:12:28 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/d989819640ee4830b800a12e00ea23c8#d989819640ee4830b800a12e00ea23c8 Jim Young 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Jim Young/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead

, Jim Young wrote

Not a biggy for me. I use Blend for XAML design. I think this is a good thing and that rolling Blend's features into VS makes sense. I tired of having to move between Blend and VS during development.  

At least for now (and AFAIK there are no plans to change that) you'll have to continue switching. When they say "integrate with Visual Studio" they mean with the package, not with the IDE. It's still a separate program/tool.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/2f0752bf01a0428f9d3aa12e00fbdab8#2f0752bf01a0428f9d3aa12e00fbdab8 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:16:58 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/2f0752bf01a0428f9d3aa12e00fbdab8#2f0752bf01a0428f9d3aa12e00fbdab8 William Kempf 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/wkempf/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead I don't see how rolling Blend into VS is anything but horrible. Is everything going to go in? The VisualState toolbox? The storyboard? There's way too many things in Blend to shove into the already massive VS2012.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/ce6571dd707642828c97a12e00fff1de#ce6571dd707642828c97a12e00fff1de Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:31:51 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/ce6571dd707642828c97a12e00fff1de#ce6571dd707642828c97a12e00fff1de Harlequin 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Harlequin/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead

, wkempf wrote

When they say "integrate with Visual Studio" they mean with the package, not with the IDE. It's still a separate program/tool.

Are you sure about that? That's not how I would interpret it. Also, I not worried about rolling too many features into VS. The Blend bits would just become enhancements to the XAML designer.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/8e2c064f0d444c81856fa12e01016664#8e2c064f0d444c81856fa12e01016664 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:37:09 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/8e2c064f0d444c81856fa12e01016664#8e2c064f0d444c81856fa12e01016664 Jim Young 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Jim Young/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead @Jim Young: Yes, I'm sure about that. You can mostly prove it to yourself by downloading the mentioned Blend preview. It's a separate application. If that's not enough for you:

https://twitter.com/saxenanavit/status/282074134530359296

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/e82b47b324c5483f9572a12e0104ad01#e82b47b324c5483f9572a12e0104ad01 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:49:05 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/e82b47b324c5483f9572a12e0104ad01#e82b47b324c5483f9572a12e0104ad01 William Kempf 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/wkempf/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead @Harlequin: Like I've said, Blend isn't "rolling into VS", but instead is just being packaged with VS. What's changing is developers get Blend "for free", and designers get it by purchasing VS, basically. From a Blend point of view, I see the announcement as mostly good news. I don't think there's a problem with Expression Web ending, either, as we have WebMatrix, an arguably better tool. Expression Encoder I can understand, but it does stink. The really bad news here, I think, is Expression Design. Microsoft has tried so many times to get into this space, and always gives up. It's frustrating. In this case, it's really bad news, as it's the only tool that really works with XAML.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/4059912f4ddd4e0d843da12e010612cf#4059912f4ddd4e0d843da12e010612cf Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:54:10 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/4059912f4ddd4e0d843da12e010612cf#4059912f4ddd4e0d843da12e010612cf William Kempf 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/wkempf/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead

, wkempf wrote

@Jim Young: Yes, I'm sure about that. You can mostly prove it to yourself by downloading the mentioned Blend preview. It's a separate application. If that's not enough for you:

https://twitter.com/saxenanavit/status/282074134530359296

Ok, thanks for the info. So basically if you have an MSDN or MAPS subscription, nothing has changed as far as Blend goes.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/1236ead3767f4b00843fa12e01076f59#1236ead3767f4b00843fa12e01076f59 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:59:08 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/1236ead3767f4b00843fa12e01076f59#1236ead3767f4b00843fa12e01076f59 Jim Young 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Jim Young/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead

, Ian2 wrote

I like the Expression tools, but I am a developer and they were really aimed at Designers who were/are just ensconced in their use of Photoshop.

Maybe Microsoft is planning on acquiring Adobe.

 

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, fanbaby wrote

  1. I got lost in the roadmap of developer/designer tools from Microsoft, anyone care to point me to a simple diagram of the offerings?
  2. http://designisphilosophy.com/microsoft-expression-web/microsoft-abandons-expression-web-and-front-end-web-development/ after betting the farm of these tools, this guy is perty pissed. His take is that Microsoft is risking irrelevancy.

    He lost me at "agile development languages".

    ]]>     http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/512f8c270f0d4f00b218a12f0022415a#512f8c270f0d4f00b218a12f0022415a Sat, 22 Dec 2012 02:04:43 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/512f8c270f0d4f00b218a12f0022415a#512f8c270f0d4f00b218a12f0022415a cbae 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/cbae/Discussions/RSS     Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead @kettch: Yeah it was the best encoder :/

    ]]>     http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/80a697d19a054b37a679a13000ddfc71#80a697d19a054b37a679a13000ddfc71 Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:28:13 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Expression-is-Dead/80a697d19a054b37a679a13000ddfc71#80a697d19a054b37a679a13000ddfc71 maz007 22 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/flyingcolourin/Discussions/RSS     Coffeehouse - Expression is Dead I use Design a lot, its very useful for me both for web design work and also for exporting things for WPF/WinRT apps. I hope they don't abandon the product.

    I've transitioned from one Microsoft product to another, Image Composer => PhotoDraw => Expression Design. I also use Adobe Illustrator, but I've liked the Microsoft products better for most purposes, Expression Design being the best.

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