Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Fuggly new Visual Studio UI http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Fuggly new Visual Studio UI http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums en Sat, 25 May 2013 08:19:55 GMT Sat, 25 May 2013 08:19:55 GMT Rev9 28 -28 -1 Coffeehouse - Fuggly new Visual Studio UI I guess I won't be changing my avitar anytime soom with moves like this. One thing I liked about VS 2010 over Eclipse was its sharp UI. Looks like they wanted a more "Eclipse" look this time around. Why not get rid of color syntax highlighting while you're at it Microsoft. Those visual cues are just harshing my mellow.

Fuggly1

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Ahhhh the good ol' days....

Beautiful

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Also, the hotlinked images don't work.

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/6c156e9607f74d16af669ffe012d0252#6c156e9607f74d16af669ffe012d0252 Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:15:56 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/6c156e9607f74d16af669ffe012d0252#6c156e9607f74d16af669ffe012d0252 Scott 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/spivonious/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Fuggly new Visual Studio UI Personally, I like it. I prefer this gray over the blue/purple of the past few iterations, but color choices are highly subjective. Far more important is the removal of unnecessary chrome, toolbars and simplifying the overall UI. This will allow me to better concentrate on the code... the important bit when using an IDE.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/2c507b25e6ef4f4789139ffe012fb31c#2c507b25e6ef4f4789139ffe012fb31c Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:25:44 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/2c507b25e6ef4f4789139ffe012fb31c#2c507b25e6ef4f4789139ffe012fb31c William Kempf 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/wkempf/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Fuggly new Visual Studio UI I don't think it looks like Eclipse, maybe the color scheme or something. But really it is Eclipse that needs a UI refresh, preferably from some hipster RoR designer. And no, not just changing the color scheme around like Aptana Studio does. I want to feel trendy and cool when I use Eclipse.

That way us Eclipse developers can point at laugh at the ugly Visual Studio instead of the other way around. I look forward to it.

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They've stripped out all of the color and chrome which for me makes it more difficult to scan the screen and find what toolbar item or tool window I'm looking for. I actually do still use the mouse sometimes for more obscure commands. It's all one great big blurred grey mess with a half-assed implementation of the metro-like type faces.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/19a741b7395c4991a11b9ffe01416702#19a741b7395c4991a11b9ffe01416702 Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:30:11 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/19a741b7395c4991a11b9ffe01416702#19a741b7395c4991a11b9ffe01416702 DeathByVisualStudio 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/DeathByVisualStudio/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Fuggly new Visual Studio UI Reminds me of WebMatrix. Hmm.... usually I moved to VS Web, so, I couldn't say how comfortable to read gray fonts. But, in my own experience on my site, the casual pages is better with dark gray fonts, it is smoother and more inviting. But, in a page talking about tech, the extra contrast just feels right. I don't know why though. There is that sense of clarity, not just visually, also content wise. It is my own psychology conclusion.

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/556f2484c6d24d39b7d39ffe0144728d#556f2484c6d24d39b7d39ffe0144728d Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:41:16 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/556f2484c6d24d39b7d39ffe0144728d#556f2484c6d24d39b7d39ffe0144728d Harlequin 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Harlequin/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Fuggly new Visual Studio UI @Harlequin:

Most of the time they show up but sometimes they don't. Latency issue? In any case they're in the article I linked to.

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/c748c32bf7e846f79d889fff002ef20f#c748c32bf7e846f79d889fff002ef20f Wed, 22 Feb 2012 02:50:55 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/c748c32bf7e846f79d889fff002ef20f#c748c32bf7e846f79d889fff002ef20f Sven Groot 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Sven Groot/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Fuggly new Visual Studio UI I don't usually comment on posts, but when I comment...

 

THAT IS ONE FUGGLY VISUAL STUDIO UI !!!

SO DARK AND GLOOMY....

WHAT IS VS TEAM THINKING !

 

/insert-rage-face

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But the Windows 8 logo thrown around looks like something from the bad days (as in, bad days of early Windows, DOS is still alive and well in DOSBOX). And that look would be in line with the look of the logo. BTW Back in the day, according to wikipedia, Microsoft was copying DR-DOS features from Digital Research. I didn't even realize how severely unusable MS-DOS was until they added those features as I wasn't using MS-DOS until v6.

I think there could well be some merit to the "cycle" of releases. Eg. Introduce a ton of new stuff in Vista and leave the fixing of critical usability issues & polishing to next release. For all I know, Vista users still have that completely broken explorer. I'm fully expecting Windows 8 to be a "skip" release. There may be few nice features here and there but they will miss some really annoying things that people complained loud about prior to RTM and then when people see they don't bother fixing those *obvious* issues then who's going to buy it? I'm certain this forum is biased toward buying Windows 8 tablet but reality is, the mass market is going to skip Windows 8 tablets. What they won't be skipping is the new display in Ipad 3. No silly ultra-wide aspect ratios. And according to experts you don't need even a 20/20 vision to be able to see the improvement in going from low DPI to high DPI.

Hint: If you make your screen black, then put a single gray/white pixel on it and can see a rectangular shape, then your display is too low DPI. I don't see ugly rectangular shapes on my CRT for instance. Not even if I get real close and tried. So obviously low DPI LCD's suck.

 

 

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lolz, this is VS thread, not Win8 thread. Wink

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, Sven Groot wrote

@DeathByVisualStudio: No, neowin just doesn't allow hotlinking. They show up if you've visited the neowin page because then they're already in your browser's cache. But if the browser has to request them from the server for this page, it will fail.

Learn something new every day. Thanks for the tip.

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https://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2012/02/23/the-road-to-visual-studio-11-beta-and-net-4-5-beta.aspx

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It will be like going back to the VT100 Smiley

 

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Ah... looking forward to some 'Classic Theme' plugins to appear soon in Visual Studio Gallery !

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, felix9 wrote

The Light theme looks like Gmail/Google Reader to me, and the Dark theme looks like Blend !

Ah... looking forward to some 'Classic Theme' plugins to appear soon in Visual Studio Gallery !

Yes, it's similar to Blend, but looks more refined. And the dark themed code editor looks sleek. Maybe I just found my path of least resistance to VS11...

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/260f2605c120410e9170a001001b2a36#260f2605c120410e9170a001001b2a36 Fri, 24 Feb 2012 01:38:54 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/260f2605c120410e9170a001001b2a36#260f2605c120410e9170a001001b2a36 Blue Ink 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Blue Ink/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Fuggly new Visual Studio UI The dark theme IS nice because it looks like Blend but the grey one is very bland.
Having coloured icons makes them easier to distinguish so I'm nit sure about the tiny monochrome icons.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/bf3782d1e38940d78073a001001bf76e#bf3782d1e38940d78073a001001bf76e Fri, 24 Feb 2012 01:41:49 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/bf3782d1e38940d78073a001001bf76e#bf3782d1e38940d78073a001001bf76e dentaku 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/dentaku/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Fuggly new Visual Studio UI http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/e74b48e77fd645a2b1f2a001005893e7#e74b48e77fd645a2b1f2a001005893e7 Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:22:30 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/e74b48e77fd645a2b1f2a001005893e7#e74b48e77fd645a2b1f2a001005893e7 Deactivated User 28 Coffeehouse - Fuggly new Visual Studio UI  I kind of like it. Hopefully it's faster too, it's all about functionality after all. 

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/ba6a108744ec49a8884ca001005ce6ff#ba6a108744ec49a8884ca001005ce6ff Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:38:14 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/ba6a108744ec49a8884ca001005ce6ff#ba6a108744ec49a8884ca001005ce6ff pavone 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/pavone/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Fuggly new Visual Studio UI Well I looked at few more blogs and looks like this nearly monochromatic look may be around for RTM.

The reason for this is actually very simple:

PC OEMs can't afford all the new tablet hardware features without cutting cost somewhere. So they've apparently decided to go from 6 bit dithered TN panels to 4 bit. Smiley

In particular, allowing larger than 1 bit palette in the icons would be a big no-no.

 

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/608ba897fdc340a5a25aa00101061be5#608ba897fdc340a5a25aa00101061be5 Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:54:18 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Fuggly-new-Visual-Studio-UI/608ba897fdc340a5a25aa00101061be5#608ba897fdc340a5a25aa00101061be5 kettch 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/kettch/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Fuggly new Visual Studio UI Yeah, most of this stuff was already in the PPTs in some form. Which makes me less excited about VS11, and more excited about whatever will replace the PPTs to preview stuff that will eventually turn up in VS12 Smiley

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http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/New-Visual-Studio-UI

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