Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Good thing to keep in mind http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Good thing to keep in mind http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums en Fri, 24 May 2013 01:26:08 GMT Fri, 24 May 2013 01:26:08 GMT Rev9 20 -20 -1 Coffeehouse - Good thing to keep in mind Hi, so totally new here,

At any rate, it's good to realize that many employees at huge companies such as Microsoft often times, or more often than not really don't have any preference for that company's software or policies. They can and even do regularly go home and use other companies' software or even do so at work.

A lot of them only show up to work to collect a paycheck and nothing more.

I don't think that's ever brought up or stressed enough on this forum or within MSDN or Microsoft.

Some, if not most people who work for Microsoft or similar large software companies just want to live at the expense of the company, period. And they want to live well at their expense.

This isn't a great thing to say or to hear if you are in HR or a PM, but it's reality. Even PMs feel this way, but they'll obviously never say so. And if you ever get an interview at a big company like that, know how to traverse a binary tree, and also know how to express every major sort in big O notation in best and worst cases.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Good-thing-to-keep-in-mind/440fd46f32bb473eaf4da11c003785bc#440fd46f32bb473eaf4da11c003785bc Mon, 03 Dec 2012 03:22:09 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Good-thing-to-keep-in-mind/440fd46f32bb473eaf4da11c003785bc#440fd46f32bb473eaf4da11c003785bc WTFH 20 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/WTFH/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Good thing to keep in mind I believe you have my stapler.

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A central problem in operator theory is the derivation of independent subrings. Recently, there has been much interest in the description of sets. Here, splitting is clearly a concern. A central problem in analytic combinatorics is the characterization of invariant, Sylvester subalegebras. This leaves open the question of invertibility.

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Hmmm.... I am sorry I am not sure what you are trying to propose. Are you complaining?

  1. Employees using competitor products?
  2. Some people "seemly" only to collect paycheck?
  3. Something about knowing algorithm performance during interviews.

I am not entirely sure these are what you are trying to convey or not. Please elaborate. Thank you. 

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, blowdart wrote

I'm supposed to be seemly? Uh-oh, I'd better work on that.

Just keep your hands up covering your unseemlinesses.  Devil

you tease

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Yes, there are floaters in every business. Do just enough work to avoid attention.

I would hate being asked those questions at an interview. I haven't looked at that part of computer science since college.

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, spivonious wrote

I would hate being asked those questions at an interview. I haven't looked at that part of computer science since college.

I once had an interview (*not at MS*) where I was asked to implement a hash table in C#. I asked why the built in wasn't good enough. The reply was "It's not optimal". I asked for proof. I didn't get that job. I didn't want it either after the silliness of a hash table implementation.

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Keep in mind that this was a company that didn't have any developers on staff or any experience with building software. Their products were primarily breast pumps and dog training collars and they wanted to build and sell a shopping cart component. Perplexed

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, kettch wrote

Keep in mind that this was a company that didn't have any developers on staff or any experience with building software. Their products were primarily breast pumps and dog training collars and they wanted to build and sell a shopping cart component. Perplexed

Soooooo...was it a Dom-Sub fetish site or just a really eclectic store?

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No fetish stuff, but I definitely got a weird vibe from the employees.

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, ScanIAm wrote

*snip*

Soooooo...was it a Dom-Sub fetish site or just a really eclectic store?

talk about being "Diverse" ...  LOL

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, WTFH wrote

many employees at ... Microsoft ...only show up to work to collect a paycheck and nothing more.

If that's what you wanted to do at Microsoft, I think that's the reason they turned you down for a job.

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one more place to hack a site that has zero security. Expressionless

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, evildictait​or wrote

*snip*

If that's what you wanted to do at Microsoft, I think that's the reason they turned you down for a job.

Plus you don't collect it, it's sent via direct deposit - so you're going to be very disappointed if this is your plan  ...

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, blowdart wrote

*snip*

Plus you don't collect it, it's sent via direct deposit - so you're going to be very disappointed if this is your plan  ...

Jeez - you guys are super mega double lazy! Not do you clearly not do any work at work - you don't even bother to go in for your paycheck.

This guy must have sucked super hard to have not even managed to get a job at a company where you just laze around at home all day and wait for cash to enter your account automagically.

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This bank account update resolves a privately reported vulnerability in your bank account. The vulnerability could prevent completion of a transaction if a user attempts a transaction whithout funds available. A user who succumbed to this vulnerability could gain severe dissapointment and/or embarresment. Users whose accounts are configured to have a larger overdraft on the system could be less impacted than users who operate with smaller overdraft limits. This update resolves the situation by increasing the level of funds available in the bank account.

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