Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Google "maps" the human body http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Google "maps" the human body http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums en Wed, 22 May 2013 21:47:07 GMT Wed, 22 May 2013 21:47:07 GMT Rev9 15 -15 -1 Coffeehouse - Google "maps" the human body A new WebGL/HTML5 app from Google, designed to be Google Maps but for the human body:

http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/">http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/523b84a3d16944a6b3f49e500125e582#523b84a3d16944a6b3f49e500125e582 Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:50:02 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/523b84a3d16944a6b3f49e500125e582#523b84a3d16944a6b3f49e500125e582 Bass 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Bass/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Google "maps" the human body Ha, think of the pain the developers had to suffer, the horror. I would have done it in 1/6 the time and cost with silverlight. Standards, shmandards

Just joking. BTW I have nothing against SL and fans EXCEPT that it's not a standard, not open and it's patent encumbered.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/15bc156f566d478ebe3b9e50013831ce#15bc156f566d478ebe3b9e50013831ce Sat, 18 Dec 2010 18:56:39 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/15bc156f566d478ebe3b9e50013831ce#15bc156f566d478ebe3b9e50013831ce fanbaby 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/fanbaby/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Google "maps" the human body I though WebGL wasn't a standard either, and that it is just a thin wrapper around OpenGL ES. OpenGL was never designed as a web-based API to begin with, but as a native API.

Wasn't MS berated for not following true standards in the past? Just curious...

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/0494c47ca96d4d3697ab9e50014e0d80#0494c47ca96d4d3697ab9e50014e0d80 Sat, 18 Dec 2010 20:16:14 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/0494c47ca96d4d3697ab9e50014e0d80#0494c47ca96d4d3697ab9e50014e0d80 BitFlipper 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/BitFlipper/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Google "maps" the human body I didn't really want this to turn into another Silverlight vs Web technologies war, but I suppose that would be silly of me to consider. 

WebGL is a standard defined by the Khronos Group, a very large industry wide consortium (that Microsoft strangely isn't a member of) that defines varies graphics standards including OpenGL. There is also an effort to turn WebGL into a W3C standard as well. 

The resemblence to OpenGL is intentional - it allows the same skillsets people have in OpenGL, as well as many of the algorithms to be reused on the web with little to no effort. OpenGL is a standard graphics API to draw 2D and 3D objects onto a screen in a cross-platform manner, it has bindings to a hilarious number of languages and frameworks (including C#). Of course, calling it a "native" API is meaningless.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/b9814e43632a4fd9a31d9e51000d7bc5#b9814e43632a4fd9a31d9e51000d7bc5 Sun, 19 Dec 2010 00:49:05 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/b9814e43632a4fd9a31d9e51000d7bc5#b9814e43632a4fd9a31d9e51000d7bc5 Bass 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Bass/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Google "maps" the human body Sorry @Bass for having brought Silverlight into this thread, I just thought i'd mention it since I saw a human body demo (a lame mockup) done in Silverlight. IF it was similar to Google's it would have been nice, but read my views below.

Also, let me change my statement on SL a bit: "I have nothing against Silverlight and its fans, BUT i hate it when they hide the fact that it's not a standard, not open and it's patent encumbered, oh and i hate it when they try to make it look like its x-platform. IT IS NOT WEB(tm)."

WebGL >> Silverlight (yes, yes, i know they're different, i'm talking openess)

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/615a2c2022044a4a8ccd9e51007c3e53#615a2c2022044a4a8ccd9e51007c3e53 Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:32:21 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/615a2c2022044a4a8ccd9e51007c3e53#615a2c2022044a4a8ccd9e51007c3e53 fanbaby 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/fanbaby/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Google "maps" the human body @Bass: I think it's a cool app. While I was rotating the model, I thought: "This would be so much cooler if it had a search-function". And then I noticed the Search-box in the upper-right corner. If they could now only create localized versions, this would be perfect to teach kids all over the world about the human body.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/2980b853326849f2b3b09e5100ae18a5#2980b853326849f2b3b09e5100ae18a5 Sun, 19 Dec 2010 10:33:51 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/2980b853326849f2b3b09e5100ae18a5#2980b853326849f2b3b09e5100ae18a5 Tommy Carlier 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/TommyCarlier/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Google "maps" the human body
, Bass wrote

I didn't really want this to turn into another Silverlight vs Web technologies war

Of course you didn't.

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, Bas wrote

*snip*

Of course you didn't.

Correct. 

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/b481a35c25dd4669ba5e9e5100ffd2dd#b481a35c25dd4669ba5e9e5100ffd2dd Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:31:25 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/b481a35c25dd4669ba5e9e5100ffd2dd#b481a35c25dd4669ba5e9e5100ffd2dd Bass 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Bass/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Google "maps" the human body @Bass:

Pretty much every post from you has an its signature anti-MS message, whether direct or indirect. This thread is about MS not supporting something that isn't a web standard.

Why would this time be any different than all the other times? At least be honest about the fact that you posted this knowing it can't work in IE Wink

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/50a704817b774ba4bb409e51012c1b40#50a704817b774ba4bb409e51012c1b40 Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:12:39 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/50a704817b774ba4bb409e51012c1b40#50a704817b774ba4bb409e51012c1b40 BitFlipper 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/BitFlipper/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Google "maps" the human body Guys, I mentioned Silverlight first, not @Bass, so flame me instead. Sorry for all the trouble.....

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/55d82e624e5b4c058c399e510135ce12#55d82e624e5b4c058c399e510135ce12 Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:47:57 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/55d82e624e5b4c058c399e510135ce12#55d82e624e5b4c058c399e510135ce12 fanbaby 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/fanbaby/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Google "maps" the human body Let me pour some more oil (yes, i said i'm sory, but this just springed into my mind, couldn't help it):

Google: creates Human 3D Browser to promote the (arguably) open WebGL (maybe even the model is open, i don't know)

Microsoft (rather BillG): Buys the Feynmann lectures to promote Silverlight 

Right there is the difference....  Sad

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/56a2b42315874692a1009e510138b49f#56a2b42315874692a1009e510138b49f Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:58:31 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/56a2b42315874692a1009e510138b49f#56a2b42315874692a1009e510138b49f fanbaby 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/fanbaby/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Google "maps" the human body Native library shims don't belong on the web no matter how cool the tech demos may seem.  They have a great opportunity to make a sensible 3D web platform that considers the skillset of the web development community, the methodologies already in use, need for security, and other requirements, that's the high bar. But instead they just throw some shim over a 20 year old graphics library and call it a day, that's the low bar.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/a625fbec26724b938d459e52003f809f#a625fbec26724b938d459e52003f809f Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:51:12 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/a625fbec26724b938d459e52003f809f#a625fbec26724b938d459e52003f809f CreamFilling512 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/CreamFilling512/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Google "maps" the human body @CreamFilling512: It was tried with VRML already. I personally think the WebGL approach is better, because it represents how people ACTUALLY write 3D apps and doesn't add multiple layers of abstraction in the picture.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/d3288dac408541c885319e520126ae56#d3288dac408541c885319e520126ae56 Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:52:54 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/d3288dac408541c885319e520126ae56#d3288dac408541c885319e520126ae56 Bass 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Bass/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Google "maps" the human body @BitFlipper:

So you know that I think IE is an inferior web browser, and a lot of Microsoft technologies are garbage. That might be "anti-Microsoft" (debatable, but who cares).

However, this is just a cool demo that has nothing to with IE or Microsoft (gasp!). Major difference.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/fec1632c0bcb46e09ed09e5201289afb#fec1632c0bcb46e09ed09e5201289afb Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:59:54 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Google-maps-the-human-body/fec1632c0bcb46e09ed09e5201289afb#fec1632c0bcb46e09ed09e5201289afb Bass 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Bass/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Google "maps" the human body native library shims are great, because you can wrap them with the higher-level abstraction of your choice and are not limited to a single language/framework/whatever. I hope this and Google's Native Client catch on, we could even port Silverlight/Moonlight to it!

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