So if has been said this is not the place to post about what's wrong with things like windows 8 and VS VNext and so on then where ?

Really to be honest I have never really found much worth in many of the micrsoft forums and trying to get anything into the building windows 8 blog seems hopeless.....

so do we just not say what we think and let MS go on or what ?? 

and keep in mind i am talking about a wish to really help MS if we can!   the problem for me at times is the feeling that no matter what i say it will go nowehere due in part to the size of MS and the layers of corp. between a message and the folks who can really act on it.

I think that a fair part of the angst of late may be from that "I think i see a problem and i can't do a thing to stop it"

we often want to help / contribute but can't talk to the "right folks"

I know that MS can not give every one 15 minutes to chat .... but .... well it's an idea.

a few years back MS had a lot of local MSDN events where developers could really talk to MS folks w/o having to travel to vegas and spend $5,000 but now there are no local events to speak of for developers run by MSDN folks ....