As much as I like IE, it failed badly and my friend cannot use it. Went to my friends house to fix his IE9. It takes forever to open up and some sites are screwed. One site in particular just keep show error popup, click ok another one pop up. Factory reset doesn't fix it. I ended up doing an image restore to recover it back to the day we bought the notebook. And problem finally goes away. Sure, people like to attack IE, but, IE should have an isolated image to recover. Everyone just said, install Firefox or Chrome, which is true, at least they works. And on the side notes, they really need to release a Quirkless IE. It is so stupid to go to some sites and ended up with Quirks mode when IE9 doc mode works perfectly fine. It is ridiculous from user perspective. Well, it is not ridiculous, most people just conclude IE doesn't work.
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magicalclick
remember the flow
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Sounds like your friend's computer was infected with malware.
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evildictaitor
I'll live forever, or die trying!
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2. Sites which don't begin with <!doctype html> are non-conformant HTML, so rendering them in quirks mode is entirely reasonable IMO.
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elmer
I'm on my very last life.
Try disabling the Compatibility View settings, particularly the 'Include updated website lists from Microsoft'
In my experience, these settings (particularly the list) forces sites into quirks mode that really don't need to be.
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Heywood_J
Trust me, I'm from the Internets
Which is insane. I like IE but this is exactly why I don't use it. Other browsers can be completely removed and then re-installed without having to restore the entire system.3 hours ago, magicalclick wrote
I ended up doing an image restore to recover it back to the day we bought the notebook. And problem finally goes away.
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Sven Groot
Don't worry... I'm a doctor.
Did you try using the "Internet Explorer (no add-ons)" option, and if so what was the result?
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magicalclick
remember the flow
@Heywood_J: I know. I want to embrace it except I am so embraced to get b slapped. And yeah it is extremely frustrating that I cannot simply uninstall and reinstall the browser back to normal. Just complete fail from security stand point. Sorry for the spam click, was trying to hit reply. @Sven Goot: I did the my first try. Same error pop up and MSN is slow as hell. @elmer: I couldn't do it on IE10, so, I still don't know how to do it yet. I seriously just want a browser has no Quirk mode. The reality is, even in compatibility scenario, IE9 mode is going to work better. I hate this stupid feature that causes more grief than solving problems. @Jim: yeah that's basically what happened, except I cannot restore from the damage without image store.
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elmer
I'm on my very last life.
46 minutes ago, magicalclick wrote
@elmer: I couldn't do it on IE10, so, I still don't know how to do it yet.
I'm not running Win8 or IE10, but previously, you accessed it from the tools menu (Alt-T) and then the Compatibility View Settings menu - but as I said, I've no experience with IE10.
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evildictaitor
I'll live forever, or die trying!
1 hour ago, Heywood_J wrote
Other browsers can be completely removed and then re-installed without having to restore the entire system.
50 minutes ago, magicalclick wrote
... it is extremely frustrating that I cannot simply uninstall and reinstall the browser back to normal. Just complete fail from security stand point.
Err .. apart from if your system is infected with malware, it can just re-infect your newly installed Firefox, Chrome or Safari as soon as you've installed it.
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magicalclick
remember the flow
@elmer: thanks, I will try IE9 and see if it is there.
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magicalclick
remember the flow
@evildictaitor: I know and it is still not changing the fact that IE's recoverability is unacceptable. From security, recover from hacking is just as crucial as closing the holes, and IE failed on recoverability. And in the end of it all, install Firefox again. I hate it. Everytime something bad happens on IE, I have to agree on install Firefox. I hate all the crappy justifications and problem is still not solved, and people HAVE to use Firefox. I keep promoting IE9, and in the end, still have to slap myself when it simply not useable for normal users.
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evildictaitor
I'll live forever, or die trying!
35 minutes ago, magicalclick wrote
@evildictaitor: I know and it is still not changing the fact that IE's recoverability is unacceptable. From security, recover from hacking is just as crucial as closing the holes, and IE failed on recoverability. And in the end of it all, install Firefox again. I hate it. Everytime something bad happens on IE, I have to agree on install Firefox. I hate all the crappy justifications and problem is still not solved, and people HAVE to use Firefox. I keep promoting IE9, and in the end, still have to slap myself when it simply not useable for normal users.
I don't follow. If you've been hacked through Firefox, reinstalling Firefox does not remove the malware.
If you've been infected with malware, either run an anti-malware solution which will remove the malware from IE or Firefox without the need to uninstall, or (my preferred solution), blitz the entire OS which performs a defacto reinstall of IE and Firefox anyway.
From a security standpoint, not being able to reinstall IE doesn't make any difference, since if IE is infected, being able to reinstall it doesn't get rid of that infection.
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If evil is right, then I have to repeat reinstalling IE would be pointless, it'd be like having a bad engine on a car and replacing the exhaust system, it's not going to do anything.
Even if it isn't malware related, it's still a good idea to have a copy of malwarebytes on your system. Download the free version and run a scan. If you can't do it on the affected computer, download it on another, put it on a flash drive or burn it on a dvd and put it on your system that way.
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Sven Groot
Don't worry... I'm a doctor.
@magicalclick: A friend of mine managed to get Firefox so completely hosed on her Mac that even reinstalling it couldn't bring it back to life. She was forced to switch back to Safari. Just being able to reinstall it doesn't guarantee you can fix the problem that way.
Not to mention the fact that no version of Windows ships with IE9. Which means you should've been able to remove and reinstall it.
And you didn't answer my question about running without add-ons. Did you try that, and if so what was the result?
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magicalclick
remember the flow
Yeah, I replied to you. That's my first try. Hence the sentence about MSN slow as hell. The message is poorly formatted because C9 doesn't work on WP8. They don't know how to fix a problem so they used a poorly formatted textbox that doesn't understand newlines.
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magicalclick
remember the flow
Yes, and what's the point to remove the malware? I can remove it and IE remains damaged. The reality is, I don't know I actually removed malware or not, because IE has never been recovered to test it out. I cannot confirm it is re-infected when I cannot recover it in the first place.
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evildictaitor
I'll live forever, or die trying!
1 minute ago, magicalclick wrote
Yes, and what's the point to remove the malware? I can remove it and IE remains damaged. The reality is, I don't know I actually removed malware or not, because IE has never been recovered to test it out. I cannot confirm it is re-infected when I cannot recover it in the first place.
? The same could be said of Firefox. As Sven said, there are cases where uninstalling Firefox and reinstalling it doesn't clear the problem.
If you don't know if your computer is still infected, blitz the operating system. It's better to have a "known clean" operating system with none of your settings than to be typing your banking password into a browser that unbeknownst to you is sending it to evil hackers in Russia.
If IE is still broken when you run it without plugins, you badly need to reinstall Windows; even if you could just reinstall IE you'd only be hiding the problem.
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magicalclick
remember the flow
That's why I did an image restore. But, my complain still holds because not every computer has an image backup. Most people want the PC to be fixed, not wiped out and start over. And like I said, what people's solution is, IE sucks, get Firefox or Chrome. Sure, we can all pretend this is not a problem. We can keep justify. Blah blah blah. I shouldn't even bother if I just tell my friend to use Chrome in the first place, maybe I can try reinstall Chrome and see it fail. And finally get a laugh at it instead of feeling embarrassed that IE indeed sucks.
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