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Coffeehouse - IE fail.

magicalclick — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:33:18 GMT

As much as I like IE, it failed badly and my friend cannot use it. Went to my friends house to fix his IE9. It takes forever to open up and some sites are screwed. One site in particular just keep show error popup, click ok another one pop up. Factory reset doesn't fix it. I ended up doing an image restore to recover it back to the day we bought the notebook. And problem finally goes away. Sure, people like to attack IE, but, IE should have an isolated image to recover. Everyone just said, install Firefox or Chrome, which is true, at least they works. And on the side notes, they really need to release a Quirkless IE. It is so stupid to go to some sites and ended up with Quirks mode when IE9 doc mode works perfectly fine. It is ridiculous from user perspective. Well, it is not ridiculous, most people just conclude IE doesn't work.

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Jim Young — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:03:08 GMT

Sounds like your friend's computer was infected with malware.

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evildictaitor — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:02:17 GMT

2. Sites which don't begin with are non-conformant HTML, so rendering them in quirks mode is entirely reasonable IMO.

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Elmer — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:09:04 GMT

Try disabling the Compatibility View settings, particularly the 'Include updated website lists from Microsoft'

In my experience, these settings (particularly the list) forces sites into quirks mode that really don't need to be.

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Heywood_J — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:16:50 GMT

3 hours ago, magicalclick wrote
I ended up doing an image restore to recover it back to the day we bought the notebook. And problem finally goes away.

Which is insane. I like IE but this is exactly why I don't use it. Other browsers can be completely removed and then re-installed without having to restore the entire system.

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Sven Groot — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:29:16 GMT

Did you try using the "Internet Explorer (no add-ons)" option, and if so what was the result?

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magicalclick — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:46:49 GMT

@Heywood_J: I know. I want to embrace it except I am so embraced to get b slapped. And yeah it is extremely frustrating that I cannot simply uninstall and reinstall the browser back to normal. Just complete fail from security stand point. Sorry for the spam click, was trying to hit reply. @Sven Goot: I did the my first try. Same error pop up and MSN is slow as hell. @elmer: I couldn't do it on IE10, so, I still don't know how to do it yet. I seriously just want a browser has no Quirk mode. The reality is, even in compatibility scenario, IE9 mode is going to work better. I hate this stupid feature that causes more grief than solving problems. @Jim: yeah that's basically what happened, except I cannot restore from the damage without image store.

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Elmer — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:36:12 GMT

46 minutes ago, magicalclick wrote
@elmer: I couldn't do it on IE10, so, I still don't know how to do it yet.

I'm not running Win8 or IE10, but previously, you accessed it from the tools menu (Alt-T) and then the Compatibility View Settings menu - but as I said, I've no experience with IE10.

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evildictaitor — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:38:19 GMT

1 hour ago, Heywood_J wrote
Other browsers can be completely removed and then re-installed without having to restore the entire system.

50 minutes ago, magicalclick wrote
... it is extremely frustrating that I cannot simply uninstall and reinstall the browser back to normal. Just complete fail from security stand point.

Err .. apart from if your system is infected with malware, it can just re-infect your newly installed Firefox, Chrome or Safari as soon as you've installed it.

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magicalclick — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:48:22 GMT

@elmer: thanks, I will try IE9 and see if it is there.

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magicalclick — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:57:09 GMT

@evildictaitor: I know and it is still not changing the fact that IE's recoverability is unacceptable. From security, recover from hacking is just as crucial as closing the holes, and IE failed on recoverability. And in the end of it all, install Firefox again. I hate it. Everytime something bad happens on IE, I have to agree on install Firefox. I hate all the crappy justifications and problem is still not solved, and people HAVE to use Firefox. I keep promoting IE9, and in the end, still have to slap myself when it simply not useable for normal users.

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evildictaitor — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 02:35:50 GMT

35 minutes ago, magicalclick wrote
@evildictaitor: I know and it is still not changing the fact that IE's recoverability is unacceptable. From security, recover from hacking is just as crucial as closing the holes, and IE failed on recoverability. And in the end of it all, install Firefox again. I hate it. Everytime something bad happens on IE, I have to agree on install Firefox. I hate all the crappy justifications and problem is still not solved, and people HAVE to use Firefox. I keep promoting IE9, and in the end, still have to slap myself when it simply not useable for normal users.

I don't follow. If you've been hacked through Firefox, reinstalling Firefox does not remove the malware.

If you've been infected with malware, either run an anti-malware solution which will remove the malware from IE or Firefox without the need to uninstall, or (my preferred solution), blitz the entire OS which performs a defacto reinstall of IE and Firefox anyway.

From a security standpoint, not being able to reinstall IE doesn't make any difference, since if IE is infected, being able to reinstall it doesn't get rid of that infection.

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gcorcoran — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 03:31:41 GMT

If evil is right, then I have to repeat reinstalling IE would be pointless, it'd be like having a bad engine on a car and replacing the exhaust system, it's not going to do anything.

Even if it isn't malware related, it's still a good idea to have a copy of malwarebytes on your system. Download the free version and run a scan. If you can't do it on the affected computer, download it on another, put it on a flash drive or burn it on a dvd and put it on your system that way.

http://www.malwarebytes.org/

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Sven Groot — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 03:55:13 GMT

@magicalclick: A friend of mine managed to get Firefox so completely hosed on her Mac that even reinstalling it couldn't bring it back to life. She was forced to switch back to Safari. Just being able to reinstall it doesn't guarantee you can fix the problem that way.

Not to mention the fact that no version of Windows ships with IE9. Which means you should've been able to remove and reinstall it.

And you didn't answer my question about running without add-ons. Did you try that, and if so what was the result?

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magicalclick — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 04:55:43 GMT

@Sven Groot:

Yeah, I replied to you. That's my first try. Hence the sentence about MSN slow as hell. The message is poorly formatted because C9 doesn't work on WP8. They don't know how to fix a problem so they used a poorly formatted textbox that doesn't understand newlines.

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magicalclick — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 04:58:37 GMT

@evildictaitor:

Yes, and what's the point to remove the malware? I can remove it and IE remains damaged. The reality is, I don't know I actually removed malware or not, because IE has never been recovered to test it out. I cannot confirm it is re-infected when I cannot recover it in the first place.

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evildictaitor — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 05:02:03 GMT

1 minute ago, magicalclick wrote
@evildictaitor:
Yes, and what's the point to remove the malware? I can remove it and IE remains damaged. The reality is, I don't know I actually removed malware or not, because IE has never been recovered to test it out. I cannot confirm it is re-infected when I cannot recover it in the first place.

? The same could be said of Firefox. As Sven said, there are cases where uninstalling Firefox and reinstalling it doesn't clear the problem.

If you don't know if your computer is still infected, blitz the operating system. It's better to have a "known clean" operating system with none of your settings than to be typing your banking password into a browser that unbeknownst to you is sending it to evil hackers in Russia.

If IE is still broken when you run it without plugins, you badly need to reinstall Windows; even if you could just reinstall IE you'd only be hiding the problem.

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magicalclick — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 05:10:03 GMT

@evildictaitor:

That's why I did an image restore. But, my complain still holds because not every computer has an image backup. Most people want the PC to be fixed, not wiped out and start over. And like I said, what people's solution is, IE sucks, get Firefox or Chrome. Sure, we can all pretend this is not a problem. We can keep justify. Blah blah blah. I shouldn't even bother if I just tell my friend to use Chrome in the first place, maybe I can try reinstall Chrome and see it fail. And finally get a laugh at it instead of feeling embarrassed that IE indeed sucks.

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evildictaitor — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 05:21:25 GMT

9 minutes ago, magicalclick wrote
@evildictaitor:
Most people want the PC to be fixed, not wiped out and start over.

Most people really want to run dancingbunnies.jpg.exe.

When you've got malware that totals IE, you need to reinstall Windows. This is exactly the same as what to do when you've got malware that totals Firefox.

You are concentrating on the symptom, not the cause. The priority is not to get IE working. It is to get the malware off your system, because pretending that a working IE means your machine is malware free makes it less likely that your banking details are safe having reinstalled IE on a malware ridden box, than if you just bit the bullet and flattened the OS to actually get rid of the malware.

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dustbuster — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 17:27:43 GMT

Dude. Even Microsoft purists know that IE is crap. It's just a fact of life. Whenever I get a new machine, it's a mad dash with IE to get to the Mozilla site to download FF. When you do load it up, your view is blocked by so many toolstrips and menu bars, you can only view the last inch and a half of the screen.

Your problem was IE and your antivirus. They both failed you. Well, your "Friend" lol. Kidding.

Just please. Stick with FireFox, one day MS might wise up and start de-crapifying internet explorer, but until that day, it's just a glichy, over advertised, ad checker.

If i wanted to book a hotel room while googling puppies, and Asking Jeeves how to do my taxes IE would be perfect.

Once you go FireFox, you never go back.

I am sorry MS gods that monitor this site, but you know it's true. Hell, ever the miscrosoft website was running UNIX for the longest time as it's back bone. That being said. Visual Studio is AMAZING, and Window 7 and XP are the bomb. I hope that appeases my slamming of your IE. But you know it's true.

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evildictaitor — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 17:42:35 GMT

13 minutes ago, dustbuster wrote
Just please. Stick with FireFox, one day MS might wise up and start de-crapifying internet explorer, but until that day, it's just a glichy, over advertised, ad checker.

2002 called. They want their opinion back.

IE 10 != IE 6.

Also, Firefox is terrible. Upgrade to Chrome.

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kettch — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 17:46:18 GMT

@dustbuster: 9/10 users who I help who are using Firefox and/or Chrome also have several tool bars, and using those browsers have done zero to reduce malware infections of the machine.

evildictaitor is right: users really want to see the dancingbunnies, or anna kournikova's nakedness and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

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magicalclick — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:03:07 GMT

@kettch: yes, hence Metro Recovery is build into the OS that dramatically reduced Surface useable HDD while everyone has bitc about it. Sure users are flat fault, now, move on to recoverability already.

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Elmer — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 21:17:38 GMT

3 hours ago, evildictaitor wrote
*snip*
Also, Firefox is terrible. Upgrade to Chrome.

Unless you need to do stuff like... print. Chrome has come a long way since it could not print at all, but even now, it still sucks at it.

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ScanIAm — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 21:40:04 GMT

4 hours ago, dustbuster wrote
Dude.

Sweet!