Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Is there a future in the kinect or are people already over it? http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Is there a future in the kinect or are people already over it? http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums en Wed, 22 May 2013 21:34:10 GMT Wed, 22 May 2013 21:34:10 GMT Rev9 15 -15 -1 Coffeehouse - Is there a future in the kinect or are people already over it? http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120419-720975.html

Microsoft's entertainment operations, which include the Xbox video game console, fell 16.5% to $1.6 billion, reflecting lower seasonal demand and a tough comparison with last year when it had just introduced its Kinect game controller.

At first I was going to research it, but now I see that people are already getting over this fad.

Microsoft now has to fund Kinect based projects, maybe because of a lack of organic interest.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/devfish/archive/2011/11/29/want-to-be-a-funded-kinect-startup.aspx

I am thinking the next fad is going to be the Google AR glasses and their Apple counterpart. The AR glasses are obviously Android based, but just like Google TV, GOOG is hoarding the SDK. They should absolutely release it with an emulator right now.

Google TV bombed and Logitech had to reduce the price of the revue by 200% because Google didn't release the SDK in a timely fashion. It took years. Lets hope they don't repeat.

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-Josh

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Google TV bombed and Logitech had to reduce the price of the revue by 200% because Google didn't release the SDK in a timely fashion. It took years. Lets hope they don't repeat.

There were all kinds of reasons that Google TV bombed, least of which was the non-release of an SDK. They should have partnered with a content delivery company, like DirectTV, and not a peripheral company like Logitec. Also, the price was out of this world, for what you got.

-Josh

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Google TV was released in November 2010. 20,000 free GoogleTV devices were sent to developers in December 2010 and the SDK only came out in late 2011, a full year after they sent out the test units to devs. Only now is Google setting up and sponsoring developer camps around Google TV. It's way too late now.

Had they done this with Android with the G1, it would have been a total disaster.

This year they double the price of I/O to $900 and that's not good either.

Again, they should release a Google glasses emulator and Eclipse plugin right this second or there will be consequences.

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@JoshRoss: The new line of iDevices thrive on Apps, not old media. Old media like LA Times and New York Post have to adapt with app creation, and TV has to adapt with services like Hulu.

What would Hulu be without the old media? People want curation, look no further than Apple to see that. In the end of the day, most apps suck. If you don't have good content or curation, then your dead. The trick is to formalize a system, where the consumers are active participants in the curation, either directly or indirectly.

-Josh

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Reality will become the next form of media. That's what's so different about the glasses.

It's like a situation where Microsoft is just about to make it up a mountain that Google and Apple climbed 4 years ago. When they get to the top, they'll realize everyone already left.

The next mountain is really, really good AR and Google needs to let the Android developers in on the ground floor. I bet if they really wanted to, they could release an emulator and Eclipse SDK right now. We don't really care if it's finished or polished. The Android SDK beta r1 and r2 were sucky and we managed. This has to happen right now rather than later.

We, the developers, have to have access to the AR glasses developer kits and emulator.

That being said this thread was originally about the demise and subsidization of Kinect. Yeah, I don't think I will be following that research path anymore.

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, 01001001 wrote

@JoshRoss:

Reality will become the next form of media. That's what's so different about the glasses.

I've yet to see anything that proves these things actually exist. 

That being said this thread was originally about the demise and subsidization of Kinect. Yeah, I don't think I will be following that research path anymore.

Can't say I'm surprised. I bought a Kinect setup about two years ago, used it for about a fortnight, then went back to the Wii. The main problem was it needed far too much room to use. We have a larger than average living room, and it just didn't work for us. The other problem was that without any resistance, there is a tendency to overextend. 

But that's just me. Microsoft's problem is bigger than just the Kinnect. The XBox is for serious gamers, which are vastly outnumbered by casual gamers. While your serious gamer will sit down and play for a few hours, your casual gamer will just pick up his iPad for twenty minutes.

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I'd guess we'll see Microsoft pushing Kinect more maybe this holiday if the price comes down.  Still talking £250 for an Xbox and Kinect.  Not cheap if you don't have an Xbox already.

Then we'll see an improved version for the next generation Xbox in a couple of years.  A few simple changes like USB 3.0 would help massively.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Is-there-a-future-in-the-kinect-or-are-people-already-over-it/0da69e49678644c98be7a03900ab2613#0da69e49678644c98be7a03900ab2613 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:23:08 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Is-there-a-future-in-the-kinect-or-are-people-already-over-it/0da69e49678644c98be7a03900ab2613#0da69e49678644c98be7a03900ab2613 Paul Smith 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/daSmirnov/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Is there a future in the kinect or are people already over it? I think everyone who wanted a Kinect got one at Christmas.

I'd love to try one out, but I'm not much of a gamer, and spending $300 for an Xbox 4GB w/ Kinect is just way too much money for a seven year-old system. Plus, with the rumors of the next Xbox coming out next year with an updated Kinect...it just seems like a waste of money to get one today.

I think the whole Kinect idea loses its appeal without good software. But we won't have good software until it gets a major presence in the market. Chicken and egg.

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That's not fully true.

http://www.lucasarts.com/games/kinectstarwars/

Kinect star wars is using it. But the thing is, when that comes out for PS3 Move it will be so much better because the move is just like the handle of a light saber.

Most people that know about this game are holding out for a Move version.

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There is no "Halo" for Kinect, ie. a "killer game" that really defines the platform. (Despite the fact that a Halo game came out with Kinect support. The Kinect support is more of a enhancement than part of the actual gaming experience.)

I'd like to see a real, supar ceral Kinect game one day, similar to the Fable demo that was showed in E3 but never delivered.

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http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/?field-keywords=playstation+3+move+rifle

That's why you don't have a Killzone 3 style title for Kinect.

 

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Edit;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Milo

Seems like they canned that and put the technology into Fable3, you are correct!

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