Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums en Sun, 19 May 2013 21:45:25 GMT Sun, 19 May 2013 21:45:25 GMT Rev9 20 -20 -1 Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board http://paritynews.com/business/item/502-microsoft-goes-after-enterprise-customers-raises-licensing-prices

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/218a562191ea4589a5afa11d017093a2#218a562191ea4589a5afa11d017093a2 Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:21:56 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/218a562191ea4589a5afa11d017093a2#218a562191ea4589a5afa11d017093a2 Bass 20 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Bass/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board Sad

 

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/077f343ec3b34f01981ca11d01735b4a#077f343ec3b34f01981ca11d01735b4a Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:32:04 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/077f343ec3b34f01981ca11d01735b4a#077f343ec3b34f01981ca11d01735b4a ZippyV 20 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/ZippyV/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board They were dirt cheap to begin with Wink

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/73cd81756fc44bdaaebba11d0174ed5b#73cd81756fc44bdaaebba11d0174ed5b Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:37:47 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/73cd81756fc44bdaaebba11d0174ed5b#73cd81756fc44bdaaebba11d0174ed5b Maddus Mattus 20 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Maddus Mattus/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board I've never seen a company trying its best to annoy existing customers and partners to such an extend like what MS is doing in the past 18 months.

They have outdone Apple at least on this regard, congrats.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/7eaf1c5080d5467e92b2a11d0177b3e0#7eaf1c5080d5467e92b2a11d0177b3e0 Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:47:53 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/7eaf1c5080d5467e92b2a11d0177b3e0#7eaf1c5080d5467e92b2a11d0177b3e0 wastingtimewithforums 20 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/wastingtimewithforums/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board I hate to sound negative, but it sounds like they're trying to get their profits somewhere in the enterprise since a lot of institutions won't be upgrading the masses to Windows 8 (I see it as a negative, if I were an investor, it maybe a positive).  In my enterprise, we won't be going to Windows 8 for all of the aforementioned reasons that have been hashed out (at this point, Windows 7 works, it's efficient, it's supported, people know it and it's stable). 

One caveat, I was speaking of desktops and laptops in the above paragraph, we will likely see some Windows 8 tablets though that will be a small quantity.  We are more likely to upgrade our Enterprise servers though in some cases, we are hindered by vended products that do not support the latest OS's or Enterprise Apps (e.g. SQL Server).  That's a whole other conversation though.

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Sounds legit.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/c72113485bf745aaafbda11e0163ed5c#c72113485bf745aaafbda11e0163ed5c Wed, 05 Dec 2012 21:35:53 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/c72113485bf745aaafbda11e0163ed5c#c72113485bf745aaafbda11e0163ed5c ScanIAm 20 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/ScanIAm/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board

, ScanIAm wrote

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Sounds legit.

So MS isn't raising prices then?

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/5a6bba3fcb3c4dd28e18a11e01686fae#5a6bba3fcb3c4dd28e18a11e01686fae Wed, 05 Dec 2012 21:52:18 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/5a6bba3fcb3c4dd28e18a11e01686fae#5a6bba3fcb3c4dd28e18a11e01686fae DCMonkey 20 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/DCMonkey/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board I don't know, when I went to the link, I got the error message I referenced.

Do you know otherwise?

 

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, ScanIAm wrote

I don't know, when I went to the link, I got the error message I referenced.

Do you know otherwise?

 

I do...

http://rcpmag.com/articles/2012/11/26/user-cal-price-hike.aspx

http://www.infoworld.com/t/software-licensing/microsoft-cal-and-server-license-prices-headed-208043

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-enterprise-price-hike-2012-11

http://searchenterprisedesktop.techtarget.com/news/2240173595/IT-pros-troubled-by-Microsofts-user-CAL-price-increase

http://www.directionsonmicrosoft.com/licensing/30-licensing/3916-per-user-cal-prices-raised-15.html?start=1

http://www.bytes.co.uk/info/licensing-updates/microsoft-user-cals-price-increase/

 

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/f259b33152974176a3daa11e01720cc7#f259b33152974176a3daa11e01720cc7 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 22:27:18 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/f259b33152974176a3daa11e01720cc7#f259b33152974176a3daa11e01720cc7 DCMonkey 20 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/DCMonkey/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board Talking about pushing the use of Win8 in companies... funny that Microsoft talks about TCO when comparing Windows and Linux servers but neglect that in workstations.

Think about the support cost (manhours) added in switching to Win8 because of the UI change. Rolling it out to organizations with 200+ "average Joe" users is going to be a "support nightmare".

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, cheong wrote

Think about the support cost (manhours) added in switching to Win8 because of the UI change. Rolling it out to organizations with 200+ "average Joe" users is going to be a "support nightmare".

But you can say the same thing about a large Service Pack. Companies need to deal with things. If you have 200 people in your org, you don't have a systems team with 2 people in it. The team probably has 10 people. I don't subscribe to the point of view that "upgrades" means "nightmares"...

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/b2eea60b6be747df8dc8a11f0033c68d#b2eea60b6be747df8dc8a11f0033c68d Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:08:30 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/b2eea60b6be747df8dc8a11f0033c68d#b2eea60b6be747df8dc8a11f0033c68d Harlequin 20 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Harlequin/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board @Harlequin:Many subtle difference between Win8 and earlier version of Windows means more support calls. With Win8 boots directly into Metro, and they can't find the familiar little icon that kick starts little inhouse application, they'll surely dial the phone.

Service packs don't make users lose icons.

And I'm aware that the "pirate rate" of Win8 for home use is not as high as I had expected, plus lots of customers in computer centre want's sales to help them install Win7 instead of Win8, that means IT supports have to expect most users won't have hands-on experience with the new UI when they rolls out the system.

The support cost would be added is worrisome.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/ef32b01ccac848818a3ea11f0038d1f4#ef32b01ccac848818a3ea11f0038d1f4 Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:26:52 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/ef32b01ccac848818a3ea11f0038d1f4#ef32b01ccac848818a3ea11f0038d1f4 cheong 20 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/cheong/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board But we're also talking about the enterprise space. These are people who are more than likely on the computer all the time. When they got Office 2010, they complained about the new ribbon for 10 minutes until they started to get used to it. I think we're overestimating the "nightmare scenario". Now pushing 200 people from PC to Macs, or vice versa, that would be a nightmare" support analogy.

All I know is my 12 year old put Windows 8 on his own laptop by himself and was flying around doing crazy things on it. I think the upgrade headaches for enterprise workspaces is less of a worry and learning curve than we think.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/d471b7174c0b4acb8d18a11f003e6663#d471b7174c0b4acb8d18a11f003e6663 Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:47:11 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/d471b7174c0b4acb8d18a11f003e6663#d471b7174c0b4acb8d18a11f003e6663 Harlequin 20 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Harlequin/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board @Harlequin: You're talking about someone "without experience", but people with problem with Win8 are people "with experience".

I myself spent a few hours exploring Win8 to see how to make various things "works". Lots of customization settings have changed locations. If I were responsible to plan system rollout, I can't reasonably expect users handle a new system better than myself.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/5b3f2ebed8f44314a96da11f00413681#5b3f2ebed8f44314a96da11f00413681 Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:57:25 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/5b3f2ebed8f44314a96da11f00413681#5b3f2ebed8f44314a96da11f00413681 cheong 20 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/cheong/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board @Harlequin:There are a lot of "I think"s and not too many "I know"s there.

I KNOW that we decided not to upgrade to Win8 and will be down-grading all pre-installed purchases to Win7.

Our business is overwhelmingly desktop/laptop oriented, running 'traditional' Windows apps.

Service packs don't change the basic way the UI works, and so these don't create the problems as we foresee with upgrading to Win8.

Regardless of any merits that Win8 may or may-not have, at the end of the day, we simply don't consider it worth the cost impact on our business at this point.

That's not to say we won't support Win8 on tablets and WP8 on applicable devices, but this is going to be a trivially small number of devices for us.

As for the increase in user CAL pricing, I'm not fully across this yet, but I don't believe this impacts our current volume agreement until it next comes up for renewal. As I see it, it's MS addressing the way user CALs are being used in the BYOD environment.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/5013b6e05a744f4f8871a11f00557939#5013b6e05a744f4f8871a11f00557939 Thu, 06 Dec 2012 05:11:11 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/5013b6e05a744f4f8871a11f00557939#5013b6e05a744f4f8871a11f00557939 Elmer 20 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/elmer/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board [quote

When they got Office 2010, they complained about the new ribbon for 10 minutes until they started to get used to it. I think we're overestimating the "nightmare scenario".

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I've still hear Ribbon complaints and we upgraded to 2007 when it came out which has been a good amount of time.  What I notice with that is people who were younger didn't seem to mind as much as they'd spent less time using Office.  People who had been using office for 12+ years with the menus were far more likely to be disgruntled by what seems to them to be change for changes sake.  Another thing that I've noticed is that these users are less likely to complain about "The Ribbon" when it comes in a new application that they've never used before.

This tells me that The Ribbon isn't bad, and people do like it but not when they're forced to re-learn 10 years of knowing where something is with no real gain. 

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/ab24d10444304260b626a11f0106e205#ab24d10444304260b626a11f0106e205 Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:57:07 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/ab24d10444304260b626a11f0106e205#ab24d10444304260b626a11f0106e205 jinx101 20 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/jinx101/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board But half of this issue is "new UI" related. The other half seems to be the IT department overwhelmed with upgrades. We saw this with IE6. Tech companies with 80,000 people sitting on IE6 even with IE9 out, because it was too painful to upgrade. Microsoft got to a point we saw last year that they were sending people to those companies to push them into upgrading. Could even be by scaring CTOs with security scenarios Smiley

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/1c14aabf6dec4cc4b3f9a11f011da1e7#1c14aabf6dec4cc4b3f9a11f011da1e7 Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:19:57 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/1c14aabf6dec4cc4b3f9a11f011da1e7#1c14aabf6dec4cc4b3f9a11f011da1e7 Harlequin 20 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Harlequin/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board That would scare me as a CTO.  I wonder how many of them avoided the upgrade because of vended software that called for a specific version and how many of them would have upgraded if you could run side by side copies easily.  It never ceases to amaze me how many pieces of vended 3rd party software only support versions old OS's and browsers (and why people buy those products). 

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/16e9257513ae43cc9cd8a11f012ae72b#16e9257513ae43cc9cd8a11f012ae72b Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:08:16 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-increases-cost-of-Enterprise-products-across-the-board/16e9257513ae43cc9cd8a11f012ae72b#16e9257513ae43cc9cd8a11f012ae72b jinx101 20 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/jinx101/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Microsoft increases cost of Enterprise products across the board We have an application that is still actively developed by the vendor that requires SQL2000 compatibility. Well, we're moving to SQL2012, which no longer has compatibility that far back. For that, and many other reasons, we're migrating to a different product.

What gets me is that these vendors always act surprised that their stuff doesn't work after the latest version of Windows/IE/SQL/Whatever is released. It's as if they ignore the fact that there are at least a years worth of CTP and Beta releases. Add to that the fact that for stuff like the SQL2000 compatibility, Microsoft has been telling developers that it's going away for a long time. There's always several stages.

  1. You shouldn't use feature/API x
  2. You shouldn't use feature/API x, because we're going to deprecate it
  3. You shouldn't use feature/API x, because it's now deprecated
  4. You shouldn't use feature/API x, because it's now deprecated and we're going to remove it altogether
  5. You can't use feature/API x, because it's gone

Yet, vendors seem to miss all of this and then act indignant when their stuff doesn't work.

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, jinx101 wrote

... people do like it but not when they're forced to re-learn 10 years of knowing where something is with no real gain. 

That's the essence of the Win8 issue for many existing desktop/laptop users and for many businesses with large desktop/laptop installations.

It's not so much that Win8 on the desktop is 'all bad' (although it definitely has some real 'issues' to be sorted) but that after spending time to re-learn how to do things, you gain... what? i.e. For many, it's just pain for no gain.

In the organisation I work for, we looked at it that way... what are we going to gain in upgrading from Win7 to Win8 and what is is going to cost us in lost productivity, user dissatisfaction (albeit excuses in some cases), re-training of support staff, etc? It just didn't stack up.

We have decided to sit out the Win8 cycle, and stay with Win7, which works well for us. The added benefit (to us) is that purchasing will be based purely on the need for hardware, rather than as a path to a new software platform - pretty much the same as we did for the Vista cycle, although the reasons were slightly different - so we will be buying less.

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