Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Nokia goes up and Apple goes down. http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 Forums - Coffeehouse - Nokia goes up and Apple goes down. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums en Wed, 22 May 2013 12:30:23 GMT Wed, 22 May 2013 12:30:23 GMT Rev9 28 -28 -1 Coffeehouse - Nokia goes up and Apple goes down. http://www.liveside.net/2012/12/17/us-stock-price-nokia-advances-as-apple-falls/

Well, as the article said, it is not really saying Nokia is the cause of Apple goes down. But, it is still nice to see Nokia goes up after Lumia 920 comes out. Many people here have 920 and stock goes up, so, I think Nokia is on the right track and so does Windows Phone 8.

I hope they keep up the momentum with agile updates, so, we can dance more often.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Nokia-goes-up-and-Apple-goes-down/67f308ca537643c0802aa12b006453b3#67f308ca537643c0802aa12b006453b3 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 06:05:16 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Nokia-goes-up-and-Apple-goes-down/67f308ca537643c0802aa12b006453b3#67f308ca537643c0802aa12b006453b3 magicalclick 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/magicalclick/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Nokia goes up and Apple goes down. The next significant challenge to tinker is the accessories (protective covers, etc).

For iPhone and Samsung phone series, accessories designed for them can be easily found. But when I went to find a case with protective cover for my lumia 920 phone last night, only one shop offers case and cover for Lumia phones and they only got Lumia 800/900, not the newer models.

Even finding cover for brands like LG is much much easier. If anyone from Microsoft Marketing for winphone is here, please do something about this... I don't mind to go to a Nokia Pro shop to buy this...

I DO note that some online shop from China offers Lumia cover and cases, but my previous experience of buying those protective "wrapping" is problematic (they're too small for the model they "claimed" to fit, and the coloring got sticked to the phone itself after it got wet with some raindrops) makes me refrain from testing them again...

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Nokia-goes-up-and-Apple-goes-down/1af4d528fe3542a79e59a12b006f65c0#1af4d528fe3542a79e59a12b006f65c0 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 06:45:35 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Nokia-goes-up-and-Apple-goes-down/1af4d528fe3542a79e59a12b006f65c0#1af4d528fe3542a79e59a12b006f65c0 cheong 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/cheong/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Nokia goes up and Apple goes down. I know this is not your main point but you don't need any protective cover or screen protector for the Lumia 920. Have you seen the torture tests done one the Lumia 920 basically showing it comes with all the protection you need already out of the box?

This is my 1st smartphone where I decided not to bother with a case or screen protector.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Nokia-goes-up-and-Apple-goes-down/374e8d90d53d4e5ca8c1a12b0087b6f6#374e8d90d53d4e5ca8c1a12b0087b6f6 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:14:07 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Nokia-goes-up-and-Apple-goes-down/374e8d90d53d4e5ca8c1a12b0087b6f6#374e8d90d53d4e5ca8c1a12b0087b6f6 BitFlipper 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/BitFlipper/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Nokia goes up and Apple goes down.

, BitFlipper wrote

This is my 1st smartphone where I decided not to bother with a case or screen protector.

^ ^

"We don't need no stink'n protector"

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Nokia-goes-up-and-Apple-goes-down/5808fabe62c24dd1b45ea12b014b2024#5808fabe62c24dd1b45ea12b014b2024 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 20:05:35 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Nokia-goes-up-and-Apple-goes-down/5808fabe62c24dd1b45ea12b014b2024#5808fabe62c24dd1b45ea12b014b2024 DeathByVisualStudio 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/DeathByVisualStudio/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Nokia goes up and Apple goes down. @DeathByVisualStudio: Non sequitur?

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Nokia-goes-up-and-Apple-goes-down/3d5f928bb1e7480c9e8da12b01561174#3d5f928bb1e7480c9e8da12b01561174 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 20:45:25 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Nokia-goes-up-and-Apple-goes-down/3d5f928bb1e7480c9e8da12b01561174#3d5f928bb1e7480c9e8da12b01561174 GoddersUK 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/GoddersUK/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Nokia goes up and Apple goes down. @GoddersUK:No, just standard trolling as usual.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Nokia-goes-up-and-Apple-goes-down/f4483194c43142e6b2d9a12b015a76e2#f4483194c43142e6b2d9a12b015a76e2 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 21:01:26 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Nokia-goes-up-and-Apple-goes-down/f4483194c43142e6b2d9a12b015a76e2#f4483194c43142e6b2d9a12b015a76e2 PaoloM 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/PaoloM/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Nokia goes up and Apple goes down. @PaoloM: It's Christmas-time. All of the good cheer seems to irritate the Trolls and they come out in droves.

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, GoddersUK wrote

@DeathByVisualStudio: Non sequitur?

No kidding Expressionless

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Jedi: (handwave) You don't need accessories for your Windows Phone.

Stormtrooper: I don't need accessories for my Windows Phone.

At least that's what I figure DBVS is getting at.

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Nokia-goes-up-and-Apple-goes-down/f6bfbe869e8f41d7a5d9a12c001a72b5#f6bfbe869e8f41d7a5d9a12c001a72b5 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:36:17 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Nokia-goes-up-and-Apple-goes-down/f6bfbe869e8f41d7a5d9a12c001a72b5#f6bfbe869e8f41d7a5d9a12c001a72b5 cheong 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/cheong/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Nokia goes up and Apple goes down. @BitFlipper: A protective cover isn't just for "protecting" your phone, it's also about personalizing the phone's appearence. (Looking at those Batman/Spiderman covers)

Remember when sales of Nokia 3210 goes hot 10+ years ago? The product isn't significantly different than other brands in terms of functionality. But being able to replace shell is a major selling point.

And the 30+ shops in a single shopping arcade selling different kinds of "protective covers" and/or replacement shells DO mean this is relevent marketing concern because people DO care how does their phone look like.

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I really wanted one, but until they aren't on AT&T, no dice.

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, Bas wrote

Why would WP7 fanboys have sour grapes over a selling point?

Who's chewing sour grapes?

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Nokia-goes-up-and-Apple-goes-down/f5129aaa3319485f9db4a12c014e18c2#f5129aaa3319485f9db4a12c014e18c2 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:16:24 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Nokia-goes-up-and-Apple-goes-down/f5129aaa3319485f9db4a12c014e18c2#f5129aaa3319485f9db4a12c014e18c2 magicalclick 28 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/magicalclick/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Nokia goes up and Apple goes down. @magicalclick: Just bought this. Their screen protectors are made of a thick vinyl--the same kind of material used for automotive decals. I have this screen protector on my 800, but since the 800 came with a case, I never had to worry about protecting the back. I figure it's worth the extra 2 bucks to try out this protector for the back before I have to go look for a real case.

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, ScanIAm wrote

I really wanted one, but until they aren't on AT&T, no dice.

Apparently... coming soon to Verizon

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57559646-94/nokia-ceo-we-have-to-move-with-more-urgency-q-a/

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in my point view I prefere nokia

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, DCMonkey wrote

Stormtrooper: It's hard to find accessories for these Windows Phones.

Jedi: (handwave) You don't need accessories for your Windows Phone.

Stormtrooper: I don't need accessories for my Windows Phone.

At least that's what I figure DBVS is getting at.

Nail meets hammer. Thanks DC.

To further the point: No 1080p phablet for WP8... Sorry you'll have to wait for the next version to get that feature. Of course you Microsoft apologists will say that resolution/form factor is unnecessary even though the Galaxy Note II is selling quite well.

Glad to see Microsoft is well on their way to copying Apple (except the market share part of course Perplexed ).

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high resolution is fine by me iff the app devs and internet pages don't embrace tiny font land. I literatly had to blow up DPI to 150% on a typical monitor. Except, most apps craps out with such high DPI.

nowadays, I buy 24 inches 1080p monitors, so, I can blow up DPI less to 125%. So the crappy apps doesn't crap out as much.

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, DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

Of course you Microsoft apologists will say that resolution/form factor is unnecessary even though the Galaxy Note II is selling quite well.

Glad to see Microsoft is well on their way to copying Apple (except the market share part of course Perplexed ).

Yeah, it's pathetic.

What Microsoft needs is a Putin. 90s Microsoft under Gates was something like the Soviet Union - feared, maybe hated, but respected. 2000s Microsoft is like Russia under Jelzin: Trying to score by following the liberalization trend of  the western countries/Apple yet utterly failing at it. And lead by a bumbling wanna-be who put everything into chaos. Putin put the ship back on track and replaced the new "democracy-loving" anthem with the Soviet hymn, although modified. He also didn't try to out-liberal the west and tightened the security up. It's not especially liked, but it's working far better than the Jelzin years.

MS needs such a re-focus under a new leader too. They aren't the hipsters nor a luxury brand and competing with Apple on this is pure madness. Stop this obsession! It's leading to nowhere. They should also retire their faux FOSS friendliness. I would rather deal with the old "evil empire" MS of the 90s than this foolish laughing stock it is now.

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, DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

@wastingtimewithforums:They tried that with Sinofsky and that was nothing but an epic fail.

Not really. Sinofsky tried to out-hipster and out-fashion the undisputed kings in the field - Apple. He even tried to beat them at the planned obsolence game. A game they are so fabulously good at, one could say they have invented it.

In short, he was a pathetic follower of trends in a competition he just couldn't win. Like Ford trying to be Lamborghini. That's the exact opposite of what I was talking about.

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, PaoloM wrote

You guys are *adorable* in your tinfoil hats Smiley

Tinfoil hats? Really? My opinion that Sinofsky was a dictator and Ballmer is a terrible CEO makes me paranoid? I'd expect tinfoil to be reserved by those who fear Google's, Microsoft's, or Facebook's collection of personal data. C'mon Paolo you can do better than that.

Seems like Microsoft's own employee's would agree with me on Ballmer and Forbes & CNBC agrees as well. I'd love to see a few analysts write up a good review of Ballmer but that would have to mean he actually accomplished something positive for the company. Strike that: he did do one good deed -- helping Sinofsky in his decision to leave Microsoft.

As for Sinofsky just take your pick:

No doubt Sinofsky was masterful at bringing a product to the marketplace but IMO he did so by leaving Windows 8 very much an unfinished story all to meet shipping deadlines. Furthermore he began believing he was enough of a visionary that he no longer needed to listen to Microsoft partners and users (again IMO). What we get is a good tablet OS with little app support and a thousand little cuts for the rest of us desktop users. Hell if the future is Windows Store Apps at least make the experience for Windows RT users a little more uniform by migrating all of the control panel stuff to PC Settings. I mean adding a Bluetooth stereo headset need not be such the "joy" it that it is in W8 today... Perplexed

@wastingtimewithforums:

With that perspective I'd have to agree. IMO, Sinofsky was a great process engineer IMO but he was no visionary and refused to believe otherwise.

It just kills me of all of the miss-steps Microsoft has made over the past decade (starting with Vista). Years back I bought my daughter an HP convertible laptop because I thought Microsoft was on it's way to owning that space in tablets and pen computing. OneNote sold me and I'd hoped from the failed Origami experiment that they would have learned their lessons and put out something more akin to the Courier. Unfortunately "brighter" minds prevailed driving Windows everywhere and Super Duper COM++ (WinRT).

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