Once again MS does all it can to make WP fail

Exactly. The big deal about XBL on the phone is the games. Turning a few of the website features into an iPhone app isn't really the same thing at all.

1 hour ago, AndyC wrote

Exactly. The big deal about XBL on the phone is the games. Turning a few of the website features into an iPhone app isn't really the same thing at all.

Considering the amount of misinformation that sales reps spread about WP to potential customers, do you really think that they'll make this distinction to the customers, even if they actually knew the difference themselves?

Nokia is doing very well here in Holland, so I don't know why it's such a fail?

10 hours ago, W3bbo wrote

If I get a WP7 device (wake me up when 128GB is available) I'm going to customise my home screen to have the following:

• Date/Time
• Upcoming Calendar Events
• Task-list
• Unread email, SMS, and IM
• Nothing else.

Because nothing else matters in a phone.

You must be a busy guy, to require 128GB for your Calendar Events, Task-list, email, SMS and IM and nothing else

But indeed, having only 8GB on an HTC 7Pro is somewhat limiting when you have Navigon Europe installed which doesn't have the option to choose which countries you want to store.

If Apple moves into television services next year (as the guessers reckon they will) then there is a real risk that they will stitch up the consumer household. What Microsoft will be facing is a 52-inch high-def  iPad in the living room. If folk start writing games for this 52-inch iPad then Microsoft's whole consumer strategy is also at risk.

What MS is showing here (for the first time in years) is pre-emptive thinking. Solidify the Xbox's popularity by making it completely OS-agnostic. More people will buy iPads than will buy Xboxes. If the XBox doesn't play nicely with the iPad/iPhone then a lot of people will just go Apple all the way. Now they won't have to. The Xbox will continue to grow and other devices that hang off it will continue to grow too. If they curtail the growth of the Xbox then the Windows phone and the consumer tablets are finished.

In other words, MS's consumer strategy lives and dies by the Xbox.

Hats off to them for thinking long term.

Oh, it's just that companion thing, who cares. The differentiator are the games and being on the actual Xbox Live network, which is still WP7 only. I do think they need to try harder with their own apps. Last time I looked the bing app on iPhone and Android was way better than on WP7, even if I don't quite get what easily making panoramic pictures has to do with Bing.

By the way, I'm actually surprised at how much impact Nokia has had over here. I've seen highway billboards and primetime ads that air several times a day for the Lumia, I heard it actually being mentioned by a group of people in their early 20's (which I assume is an attractive potential group of customers), even though they called the OS "Windows 7.1" and there have been a bunch of ads on tv and in store displays from phone companies that highlight WP7. Who knows, in a year or two...

@Bas: It's outselling the Samsung G S2 in some stores here,.

13 hours ago, W3bbo wrote

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If I get a WP7 device (wake me up when 128GB is available) I'm going to customise my home screen to have the following:

• Date/Time
• Upcoming Calendar Events
• Task-list
• Unread email, SMS, and IM
• Nothing else.

Because nothing else matters in a phone.

You'll definitely need 128GB then...

A single sms is 1120 bits, so 128GB of unread sms are 1.073.741.824 / 1.120 = 958.698 sms messages.

I think the Xbox Companion app released for WP7 is much more interesting than this iOS app. MS is finally getting around to implementing their three-screens strategy (PC + WP7 + Xbox)

4 hours ago, Maddus Mattus wrote

@Bas: It's outselling the Samsung G S2 in some stores here,.

That's good, but for WP7 to start making headways they need to push, push, push, push. This "North America gets the Lumia 800 in April 2012" is garbage. That's not a push. They need to increase their production and start rolling on this, because in 5 months us over here in US/Canada won't remember the Lumia 800. And those who do remember the phone, all the hype will be gone.

@Harlequin: Finally we get something in Europe sooner than in the US, F I N A L L Y

Not that I care, I am quite happy with my HD7. I do wish I could have had Nokia's free navigation app,..

But not worth the new phone.

8 hours ago, Maddus Mattus wrote

A single sms is 1120 bits, so 128GB of unread sms are 1.073.741.824 / 1.120 = 958.698 sms messages.

Sounds like the average tween needs at least 128 GB of storage.

I like the companion app on WP7 but it is not all I thought it would be. I imagined as you watched videos on the xbox you would have extra information show up on the phone in sync with the movie you were watching. Also the controller function is limited by not having access to the keyboard.

7 hours ago, Bass wrote

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Sounds like the average tween needs at least 128 GB of storage.

11 minutes ago, Minh wrote

*snip*W3bbo is a tween?

He's pretty close, as far as I can gather. Well, at least closer than I am to being a tween.

5 hours ago, CKurt wrote

@devSpeed: Having a keyboard would be so awesome, instead of using the on screen one and navigating it with the controller!

That would be quite nice. Personally I was hoping there would be some way I could use it to sign in my account on a friends xbox without having to a) type my Live password for all to see (b) leave the account on their xbox where potentially anyone could muck about with it. That would make the new roaming stuff very cool and might even have persuaded me to re-Gold my xbox live account (it expired ages ago and I haven't noticed the difference, which only shows how little I play online I guess)