, Maddus Mattus wrote

@Sven Groot: Fair enough.

I would like to see costs set out against income. And I would like a quality measurement (deaths, complications, malpractices, etc.).

I'm not asking what you would like to see, I'm asking what information you did see that made you decide that the US model of health care is better than the Dutch model.

A good indication of quality care is maternal mortality. In a high quality care environment this should be a low figure;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/apr/12/maternal-mortality-rates-millennium-development-goals

Which clearly shows that the Netherlands is amongst the lowest in the world, and clearly superior to the US. In fact, most of the countries at the top of that list have some form of socialized health care. So this obviously wasn't the thing that made you decide that socialized health care is bad. So what was it?