Itchy censor fingers lately, huh?

3 minutes ago, PaoloM wrote

You troll, you get locked. Simple as that.

Aha

But whatever, let's continue the topic. What's your take on IE 10 for Win7?

It is entirely possible to express what you are saying without needing to resort to vile or hateful language.

If you want to talk about IE10, please do so. But you don't need to phrase it as abuse. Doing so is against the T&Cs of C9.

C9 is not obliged to put up with abusive posts. If you post abusive or clearly bad-faith threads, you should expect your threads to get locked, your posts to be deleted and your account to get banned.

SkyDrive.com doesn't work with IE10 anyway. So, it is actually a good news.

3 minutes ago, magicalclick wrote

@wastingtimewithforums:

SkyDrive.com doesn't work with IE10 anyway. So, it is actually a good news.

The problem is, there's no news. The article says that IE10 is only available on Windows 8, which accurately reflects the state of the art. Any inference on its availability on Windows 7 later on is just speculation. Which is legitimate, of course, just not news.

20 minutes ago, Blue Ink wrote

*snip*

The problem is, there's no news. The article says that IE10 is only available on Windows 8, which accurately reflects the state of the art. Any inference on its availability on Windows 7 later on is just speculation. Which is legitimate, of course, just not news.

IE10 will only be on Windows8. It is too heavilly tied to the Windows8 security and UI model to be trivially back-ported to Windows7, and that won't happen under Sinofsky's watch. His management style is to put all available resources into making the next version of Windows more marketable rather than giving out freebies to existing Windows customers.

It's kind of evil, but from a business perspective you can see why they're doing it.

it facinates me how Microsoft continuously trying to make web a platform-dependent community. And yet, it cannot be done when web is never owned by anyone, especially the FF/Chrome era..

50 minutes ago, evildictait​or wrote

*snip*

IE10 will only be on Windows8. It is too heavilly tied to the Windows8 security and UI model to be trivially back-ported to Windows7, and that won't happen under Sinofsky's watch.

FWIW - Brendon Lynch - discussing IE10 Do-Not-Track, about a week(ish) ago.

"Windows 7 customers using IE10 will receive prominent notice that DNT is turned on in their new browser, together with a link providing more information about the setting,"

30 minutes ago, magicalclick wrote

@evildictaitor:

it facinates me how Microsoft continuously trying to make web a platform-dependent community. And yet, it cannot be done when web is never owned by anyone, especially the FF/Chrome era..

Say what? 

A) The web has always been platform dependent - from the days when devs would program for Firefox and IE6 separately (and then the fun days of IE6, IE7 + Firefox) to the modern delights of which browser/phone/pad/laptop combination are we using today.

B) Microsoft's platforms have always been closed. Arguably the main selling feature of Windows is that developers who write for Windows produce products that either don't work at all on other OSes, or work pretty badly (with a few exceptions).

C) Microsoft is a platforms company - as is Apple, as is Twitter, as is Google. In fact, Facebook's entire valuation was pretty much entirely based off the back of "Facebook is a closed platform". If it was just a place to store your photographs and chat with your friends it would have a total value in the small millions, not the billions.

You need to have your eyes pretty firmly shut and your fingers pretty deep in your ears and singing LA LA LA pretty loudly to think that owning platforms as a way of making money is dead, or is coming to an end soon.

How about pizza too? It could be like a birthday party.

1 hour ago, magicalclick wrote

@evildictaitor:

it facinates me how Microsoft continuously trying to make web a platform-dependent community. And yet, it cannot be done when web is never owned by anyone, especially the FF/Chrome era..

Umm, yea, because google's Chrome apps aren't trying to make the web a platform-dependant community. No, not at all.

@blowdart:

You guys do have valid points. I simply have different perspective than you guys. Sadly my message isn't interpreted as expected.

50 minutes ago, evildictait​or wrote

 

C) Microsoft is a platforms company - as is Apple, as is Twitter, as is Google. In fact, Facebook's entire valuation was pretty much entirely based off the back of "Facebook is a closed platform". If it was just a place to store your photographs and chat with your friends it would have a total value in the small millions, not the billions.

Twitter wasn't a platform, it was an API. Then they realised they can't make money being an API, they need captive eyeballs, so they produced their own (limited) mobile clients and now are working hard to kill off any client their don't control. Which is backfiring of course.

C

9 minutes ago, Charles wrote

@blowdart: True. Platform is an overloaded term... There's the platform - so, x86/64 or ARM or Windows or OSX or iOS or Android, etc... Then there's the API surfaces. ABI surfaces, too... These are what platform-specific (pieces of or all encompassing) apps are written for (well, to).

C

Traditionally, x86/x64 and ARM are referred to as the architecture rather than the platform, but you're right. Software is a stack of technologies, and to anyone above you, you're part of the platform and anyone below is part of your platform.

C

Microsoft won't drop W8. If they do move towards a more rapid release cycle, it will mean incremental refinements every year or so instead of big changes every three years. The UX we see in 8 is here to stay. Mwahahahaha!

Are they really going to release newer version in 2013? I hope it is true because at least I can pray they are going to fix the broken taskbar. I love taskbar.

5 hours ago, Sven Groot wrote

Okay, I don't agree with the tone of this thread, but I do agree that not releasing IE10 on Windows 7 is a seriously bad idea for the web.

This came out of a KB article I believe.

You'll notice now it says

Note Internet Explorer 10 is included in Windows 8. It is not yet available for Windows 7.

The yet wasn't there before. I pinged some people, heh.

2 hours ago, blowdart wrote

Note Internet Explorer 10 is included in Windows 8. It is not yet available for Windows 7.

The yet wasn't there before. I pinged some people, heh.

Good.

7 minutes ago, AndyC wrote

@blowdart:Hehe. It never ceases to amaze me how some people can jump on the wording of a single, possibly ambiguous, statement in a relatively unimportant webpage and assume it overrides roadmapped products that have been announced and discussed for well over a year.

Well, that webpage, together with the ominous complete silence on IE 10 for Win 7 in the past eight months, together with all the other recent MS surprises, can lead to these conclusions.

I am glad I was proven wrong this time.