Slip Sliding Away--The Joys of Global Cooling

Have fun driving in the snow.

I guess it was because of global cooling that we've had the driest year on record here in California.

My understanding is that global warming can cause some areas to become colder than usual. The warmer oceans put more moisture into the air, leading to more extreme weather patterns with more snow/ice storms in colder areas as a result of the extra moisture. This would then end up making those areas even colder than what they normally would have been.

@BitFlipper: Which is why the scientific community is moving away from 'global warming' or 'global cooling' and towards 'climate change'.  Not that the press or politicians actually listen much to the details of what the scientists are actually saying.

Herbie

@Herbie: And if the politicians do listen, what exactly are they supposed to do about naturally occurring climate change?

@Dr Herbie: no,.. no,.. it's now antrophogenic global climate disruption!

Watch for it in AR5 for more doom and gloom!

7 hours ago, Proton2 wrote

@Herbie: And if the politicians do listen, what exactly are they supposed to do about naturally occurring climate change?

There is enough evidence at this point to show that the current climate change is anything but "natural".

But for some reason a lot of people like to stick their heads in the sand and pretend that the colossal amount of pollutants we are pumping into the atmosphere has no effect at all. After all, even if there was real damage done, it is unlikely to affect any of us during our lifetimes, so why should any of us even bother, right?

@Proton2: You will notice that I deliberately avoided the use of the words 'natural' and 'man-made' because that wasn't the point I was making, I was making the point that assuming it's all going to get warmer or all going to get colder is wrong.

You can play word-games all you like.

Herbie

Statistics show that there is nothing unusual about present day conditions. In other words scientists are not saying that man has yet had an effect on today's climate.

That is why one must use the term natural climate variability because there is no scientific evidence that the weather today is or has been changed due to mans influence.

You can read studies from the climate scientists Dr. Roger Pielke Jr.'s and Dr. Roger Pielke Sr.on how land use changes, yes caused by man, have changed local conditions.

Global Warming is still supposed to be about adding up all the temperatures throughout the world and of course some places will be cooler and some places will be warmer, but the warmer has to over compensate for the cooler in order for the theory of Global Warming to be valid.

@Herbie: I am not using word games, I am using science.

@blowdart: http://wattsupwiththat.com/about-wuwt/wuwt-supports-the-sopapipa-blackout/#comment-868985

Climate Science: Roger Pielke Sr.

http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/

Roger Pielke Jr.'s Blog

http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/

3 hours ago, blowdart wrote

Shall I just lock this now before it descends into name calling like the last troll global warming thread?

I'd go with a big yes on that one.

The 5th comment on that other thread I mentioned was:

Nov 22, 2011 at 9:46 AM

Well, back to the topic of this thread, Global Cooling:

Here is a timely article by a weather expert:

"When the PDO turned cold, most of the meteorological and climate community understood that the pattern was turning very similar the last time of the PDO reversal, the 1950s, and it was a matter of time before the global temperatures, which have leveled off, would start falling in the same herby jerky fashion they had risen when the PDO turned warm at the end of the 1970s."

 http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/19/global-temps-in-a-crash-as-agw-proponents-crash-the-economy/

Update: There are some comments about the above article correcting some possible mistakes that can be found here:

http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/on-joe-bastardis-post-global-temps-in-a-crash-as-agw-proponents-crash-the-economy/

See, I am trying to be unbiased on the topic of Climate Science.

@blowdart:

Its just that somebody can hijack a thread and start name calling with the objective of having the discussion shut down, and you might go on and oblige that person instead of banning that person. I have a fear that Climate Science wil not be allowed to be discussed here, I don't want to see that happen.

No the other thread wasn't locked, but I keep feeling like I am playing with a boy who keeps threating to quit and take the ball home. Can we all be adults here!

BitFlipper says:

1. There      is enough evidence at this point to show that the current climate change      is anything but "natural".
             But for some reason a lot of people like to stick their heads in the      sand and pretend that the colossal amount of pollutants we are pumping      into the atmosphere has no effect at all. After all, even if there was      real damage done, it is unlikely to affect any of us during our lifetimes,      so why should any of us even bother, right?

First point 1:

The IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) itself says exactly what I said, there is no evidence of human involvement in climate change today:

" (p9) "Projected changes in climate extremes under different emissions scenarios generally do not strongly diverge in the coming two to three decades, but these signals are relatively small compared to natural climate variability over this time frame. Even the sign of projected changes in some climate extremes over this time frame"

http://omniclimate.wordpress.com/2012/01/18/why-everybody-seeing-climate-changes-now-is-uninformed-or-a-liar/

On the second point, about 96% of CO2 that gets pumped into the atmosphere doesn't even come from human sources, but comes from nature herself.