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The Entity Framework source code is today being released under an open source license (Apache 2.0), and the code repository is now hosted on CodePlex (using Git) to further increase development transparency. This will enable everyone in the community to be able to engage and provide feedback on code checkins, bug fixes, new feature development and build and test the product on a daily basis using the most up to date version of the source code and tests. Community contributions will also be welcomed, so you can help shape and build Entity Framework into an even better product. You can find all the details on the Entity Framework CodePlex Site.

 

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It was the 3rd or 4th release, and they have really done an excellent job of turning something that was not very good, to something excellent.

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, vesuvius wrote

@blowdart: I was a staunch critic of EF, but the release with DbContext is pretty awesome and ORM programming heaven.

It was the 3rd or 4th release, and they have really done an excellent job of turning something that was not very good, to something excellent.

There were a few issues/limitations with some of the tooling before*, but now that it supports enums and spatial types, I think it's pretty close to perfection as far as I'm concerned.

*The designer used to "singularize" words like "status" as "statu" (i.e. just dropping the "s"). I hope they added language support, which would solve this kind of issue and make non-English speakers happy as well.

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, DeathByVisualStudio wrote

++. Can't wait to see what the open source community does with this. Nice work Microsoft.

+1

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Microsoft just needs to look at Apple. Apple is also highly closed source, maybe a lot more closed than Microsoft. But they have many, many developers for it's platform.

Guthrie must be replaced, because i don't see any realy new and exciting technologies in the .NET backend area for many years.

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So you didn't think Linq and Rx were exciting new technologies?

Herbie

 

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Apple make you pay for their beta software as a developer https://developer.apple.com/programs/ios/,

Everything about the Apple development stack is just wrong, and there are very few people actually making any money form creating Apple software, apart from Apple themselves of course.

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, Dr Herbie wrote

@xxxcoderxxx: I would say it's just a different strategy: MS want to provide many options for developers to develop with (look at writing Win8 application for example: you have wrappers for C++, C# and  HTML & Java for access to the new API), while Apple seemed happier to just dictate that developers use one tool for their platform (have they relaxed a little on that front now, or is it all still Objective-C ?).

They'd prefer it, but they don't dictate it. What they don't allow is virtual machines running on top of IOS, so whatever you use has to compile down to the ObjectiveC runtime. As far as I know, IOS apps can be written in ObjectiveC/C++ (obviously), C#, Lua, Python, Ruby, SmallTalk and Lisp.

There are a couple of IDEs for alternative languages, though I'm not sure I'd want to actually write a program on an iPad.

 

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, vesuvius wrote

@xxxcoderxxx: Apple is completely outdated, as Windows 8 has rewritten the rule books, especially with the Surface you will see people moving back from their iDevice

Apple make you pay for their beta software as a developer https://developer.apple.com/programs/ios/,

Everything about the Apple development stack is just wrong, and there are very few people actually making any money form creating Apple software, apart from Apple themselves of course.

 

One small tiny problem:

beeing technically better does not mean that you will win in the marketplace.

i see a lot more iPhone and Android market than Windows Phone, and while Win Phone is a good platform it's loosing to the big two in so many ways.

WIndows 8 tablets may suffer the same fate as now folks who have iPads and iPhones will generally keep using them. 

not that i want windows 8 to loose, just that i have seen the problem of beeing right does not equal winning in the market.

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Absolutely agreed. As much as I grouse here about MS' decisions and directions. I completely eschew the evil apple. MS and its technologies have enabled me to put much good food on my table. I hope that continues to be the case but I worry I may be relegated/pushed to the Linux/OSS world.

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