Of course, you probably already know about Tim Schafer's hugely successful kickstarter, but did you know that the Two Guys from Andromeda (writers of the Space Quest series) have reunited and are making a new space adventure (and they got Gary Owens as the narrator again )? And that Jane Jensen and Robert Holmes (of Gabriel Knight fame) are starting a new game studio? Or that Al Lowe is planning to remake Leisure Suit Larry for the modern age?

I'm looking forward to it, that's for sure.

I've been playing some assassins creed lately, it's not strictly an adventure, but I don't know how an 100% adventure game is supposed to compete with that. If you look at deadspace and mass effect, these guys have a lot of competition.

But, if you aim lower and provide an adventure as an arcade title, I might be game!

11 minutes ago, Maddus Mattus wrote

@Sven Groot: LSL allready had it's port and it sucked.

What do you mean? The 1991 remake is the only one that I'm familiar with, and that's not exactly modern anymore.

I've never been a huge fan of LSL, to be honest. It was fun, but not top of my list. The news about the Two Guys and Jane Jensen however, that's what's really got me excited. Gabriel Knight are some of the best games I've ever played.

I do love Mass Effect, but it would've been better if it had been an adventure game. Shooters just aren't my thing, and never will be.

I got confused by the term re-make. A re-make to me is; using the old format, but in a new game. What they are talking about is a complete re-write of some of the adventure games.

So that's why I said the re-make of LSL sucked. If you look at the Al Lowe video, he kinda agrees with me (when he opens the SIERRA door).

In the film they talk about shareware and pirated copies, yadda yadda. But I wonder if they will release the re-writes for free. Seems like a cool idea.

Oh, I hate mass-effect for not being a good shooter and as a reason I didnt buy 2 and 3. Assasins creed is one of the very best games I've ever played, technically, gameplay and content wise. The story is ok-ish, puzzles are a joke.

21 minutes ago, Maddus Mattus wrote

@Sven Groot:

I got confused by the term re-make. A re-make to me is; using the old format, but in a new game. What they are talking about is a complete re-write of some of the adventure games.

No, a remake is when you make the same game again using newer technology. And if you were talking about the last two Larry games, yeah, they sucked.

In the film they talk about shareware and pirated copies, yadda yadda. But I wonder if they will release the re-writes for free. Seems like a cool idea.

Yeah, because as we all know game developers don't need to eat.

Oh, I hate mass-effect for not being a good shooter and as a reason I didnt buy 2 and 3.

The shooter part actually got a lot better in 2 and 3, but as I said, I only play it for the story, which is absolutely brilliant, among the best I've ever seen in a game. To me the words "good shooter" are an oxymoron. There's no such thing.

But this thread isn't supposed to be about shooters. It's supposed to be about the revival of the best genre of games ever: adventure games.

No, a remake is when you make the same game again using newer technology.

Duley noted, I'll adjust my definitions.

Yeah, because as we all know game developers don't need to eat.

Good, saves on the costs! All I'm saying is that if Al Lowe is raving about it, they should stick their guns to it. Looks to me like they are looking for investors from the public and not returning anything but the game and some prizes.

I would not mind paying a few bucks, but not full game price.

And why not create a new story? I've allready played all of em and won. It's not going to capture the same magic, they should create new magic and break with the old. It's like Knight Rider 2000 all over again.

After Team 17 (I still can't forgive them for it) butchered the Larry franchise, I find it especially satisfying to see Al Lowe retake control of it. I never enjoyed anything Jane Jensen put out apart from Gabriel Knight (and I only really enjoyed the first one), but that Moebius thing looks good. What I find weird though is that she presents three options for games she could make: what if I pledge money and she makes the one I dislike? Why not three separate Kickstarter pages for each game?

I eagerly await to see if Lori & Corey Cole return to the Quest for Glory franchise, although with Ron Gilbert and Tim Schafer making a multimillion dollar adventure game, another wish like that seems like tempting the gods.

1 minute ago, Maddus Mattus wrote

And why not create a new story? I've allready played all of em and won. It's not going to capture the same magic, they should create new magic and break with the old. It's like Knight Rider 2000 all over again.

That's covered in the FAQ on the page: the owner of the rights wants them to do a remake first as a proof of concept, and if it sells well they'll be allowed to do new games.

And both Jane Jensen and the Two Guys are not remaking games but creating all-new adventure games, and personally I'm much more interested in those, that's why I listed Al Lowe last. Although it's sort of fitting that Al Lowe also returns to gaming along with the Two Guys; after all, making fun of Al was 50% of the humour in Space Quest (in Space Quest 4, Leisure Suit Larry 4 was the super-computer virus that allowed Vohaul to overthrow Xenon).

*think you hear footsteps*

On the conversation of "old games" coming back, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimCity_(2013_computer_game)

Unfortunately it uses Origin and you need to be online to play...and modding is a "maybe", which I don't understand. The reason SimCity 4 still has a large userbase is because of modding.

That's awesome!

Edit;

Space has no temperature, as it has no matter,.. So no residual heat possible

Nice videos! Looks like I am youtubing all evening

1 hour ago, Maddus Mattus wrote

Space has no temperature, as it has no matter,.. So no residual heat possible

Apart from that's not true.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8309875.stm

No atoms, no heat, no temperature.

link you posted just some info on the LHC and experiments on cold (non moving) atoms, nothing about the temperature of space. The BBC mentioned space and temperature, but they don't have a clue.

4 minutes ago, Maddus Mattus wrote

@evildictaitor: heat is vibration of atoms, right?

No atoms

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_space

...However, even the deep vacuum of intergalactic space is not devoid of matter, as it contains a few hydrogen atoms per cubic meter.^[26] 

no atoms , no heat, no temperature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy

Vacuum energy is an underlying background energy that exists in space even when the space is devoid of matter (free space). The concept of vacuum energy has been deduced from the concept of virtual particles, which is itself derived from the energy-time uncertainty principle. The effects of vacuum energy can be experimentally observed in various phenomena such as spontaneous emission, the Casimir effect, the van der Waals bonds^{[citation needed]} and the Lamb shift, and are thought to influence the behavior of the Universe on cosmological scales. Using the upper limit of thecosmological constant, the vacuum energy in a cubic meter of free space has been estimated to be 10⁻⁹ Joules.^[1] However, in both Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) and Stochastic Electrodynamics (SED), consistency with the principle of Lorentz covariance and with the magnitude of thePlanck Constant requires it to have a much larger value of 10¹¹³ Joules per cubic meter.^[2][3]

Matter has temperature, space has not, this is fundemental. Can we now get back to the topic please?

We rock!

2 hours ago, Blue Ink wrote

@Maddus Mattus: where did you get that idea? Going by which threads get more posts, this is definitely a music and climate change forum.

HAHAHA... j/k

Although, I did learn from a recent NOVA show. Space is not a void. It actually has physical properties. And is being _CREATED_ all the time, as the universe expands. Mind-blowing stuff.

But after watching the trailer for the LSL remake... I'm not too crazy about the cartoony art style.

The implication of this is that you wouldn't instantly freeze if you were ever in outer space unprotected, as is sometimes depicted in fiction. There are two ways for an object to loose heat: convection and radiation. In a vacuum, convection isn't possible, so radiation is the only way to shed heat, which is a fairly slow process. Objects in space that are exposed to sunlight typically tend to heat up, and dealing with heat management is one of the biggest design issue in spacecraft (see e.g. the concerns about solar panel malfunctions with SpaceLab and Hubble).

25 minutes ago, Sven Groot wrote

Objects in space that are exposed to sunlight typically tend to heat up

Objects in deep space will receive relatively low radiation because of their distance to nearby light objects.

1 hour ago, evildictaitor wrote

*snip*

Objects in deep space will receive relatively low radiation because of their distance to nearby light objects.

Yeah, I was referring to inside our solar system. The number of spacecraft we've designed so far to operate away from any star is kind of low.

And for the record; I believe the climate is changing, but not due to us.

@Sven Groot: that's why our space suits have cooling systems, instead of heaters.

Anyhow, nothing would function in absolute zero, all would be standing still.

And I don't think new spaces are created, I think the existing space is stretched, somehow, with space stretchers or something.

Had great fun watching the videos, they are a bit lengthy but good fun!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_space

...However, even the deep vacuum of intergalactic space is not devoid of matter, as it contains a few hydrogen atoms per cubic meter.^[26] 

And its really hot too.

Anyways, the cosmic background radiation is about 2.76 K. I don't know if you need atoms for temperature. A photon is energy, and is massless and of course travels at the speed of light. When the photon is absorbed by an object, it heats it up I imagine, at least until the energy is re-radiated.

When something radiates, what does this radiation consist of? Time to do some more studying.

Energy can also be in the form of potential energy. For example if I raise an object, it now has more potential energy. If I wind my hand powered flash light, it gets heavier. E=mc^2

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The game I've played the most is Halo, The Demo.

"When something radiates, what does this radiation consist of?"

Electromagnetic radiation with a very low wavelength, infrared light.

Every energy conversion leads to less entropy. The example you gave is a good starter. A photon with a very high wavelength, visible light, is absorbed by a atom. Wich slows down the proton, the proton transfers it's energy to the atom, the atom heats up, the slowed down proton then leaves the atom again, but since it is significantly slowed down it's wavelength increases and it becomes infrared light.

Back on topic;

What would be a good price for one of these games? $10?

I currently also have a severe Assassin's Creed addition, but having seen that the next version will be set during the American Civil War, I've lowered my expectations (part of the joy of Assassin's Creed II was climbing about on architecture in Renascence Italy, I particularly like the Colosseum).

Herbie

When assasins creed was introduced, I literally gasped. No game could handle crowds like that. The social interaction is awesome, the climbing is epic, only thing they did wrong (IMHO) is stairs., they are just ramps and sometimes I get the feeling the character is 'skating' / 'gliding' on the pavement (his foot doesnt stay in the place he planted it).

I would have been happy with just the story of the creed, this whole hogwash with DNA encoded memories just spoils the vibe. The carnaval in Venice was really fun!

Maybe it should come with a difficulty setting.

And it's not THAT repetitive, try killing the same monster for two days to get part 1 of 10 for your Vex Thall key. And when you are done farming for two months, discover that the guild has moved to the next expansion.

1 day ago, Sven Groot wrote

It seems we're on the verge of a revival of the venerable adventure game genre. Of course, companies like Telltale have already been successul with the new Sam & Max and Monkey Island games, as well as Back to the Future, but now we're really seeing a return of the once adventure game giants.

Of course, you probably already know about Tim Schafer's hugely successful kickstarter, but did you know that the Two Guys from Andromeda (writers of the Space Quest series) have reunited and are making a new space adventure (and they got Gary Owens as the narrator again )? And that Jane Jensen and Robert Holmes (of Gabriel Knight fame) are starting a new game studio? Or that Al Lowe is planning to remake Leisure Suit Larry for the modern age?

I'm looking forward to it, that's for sure.

I played adventure games a lot as a kid. The humourous Operation Stealth, Beneath a Steel Sky and Zak McKracken (with music remixes) and the creepy Dark Seed, etc.

Perhaps this is not a renaissance but it's always nice to see some oldtimers breathe new life into some game history classics.

13 hours ago, Maddus Mattus wrote

@Dr Herbie: If you like the climbing, try the arcade game;  "I am alive".

When assasins creed was introduced, I literally gasped. No game could handle crowds like that. The social interaction is awesome, the climbing is epic, only thing they did wrong (IMHO) is stairs., they are just ramps and sometimes I get the feeling the character is 'skating' / 'gliding' on the pavement (his foot doesnt stay in the place he planted it).

Has there ever been a game with realistic interactive character animation? I've never seen one but haven't looked in the last couple of years.

There is a cool Google Tech Talks video on the topic with demos:

Awesome video, protein folding was interesting!