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Dell Inc. (NASDAQ:DELL) is being repeatedly requesting Microsoft Corporation (NASDAQ:MSFT)  to modify the name of Windows RT through its vice-chairman and president of PC business on the grounds that it is not designed to support genuine Windows software.

But, Steve Ballmer of Microsoft Corporation is of the view that we cannot call the new OS with a different name because " Windows" served our company well for so many years that customers are used to relating MSFT with Windows therefore, if it is changed then we are going to lose our significant market share.

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The significant market share of... Windows RT? Are they kidding? And yes, the name is terrible. But it's nice to see that "New Microsoft" not only ignores customers, developers, admins and partners, but even the most important OEMs now too! Nice going.

And it must be RT he's talking about with the "significant market share", because Dell of course doesn't ask that Windows 8 x86 should renamed.

There's more:
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Additionally, Ballmer clarified that MSFT will provide necessary information about the differences between two platforms which are known as Windows 8 and Windows RT in few days. But, the software giant clearly refused to entertain the featured request made by DELL's top management. ---------

LOL, what? Win8 is since almost two months on the market, and they will provide necessary information in a few days?

More: http://bgr.com/2012/12/17/windows-rt-dell-warning-255955/

Ballmer responded by saying that the Windows brand was too important of a franchise to not be used in the company's tablet operating system. The executive's decision has since been heavily criticized and even forced Microsoft to extend its Surface RT return policies after consumers realized the device could not run their favorite Windows applications.

Utter insanity. How many more clues do they need to realize their problems with Windows 8?

Yeah, another Windows 8 thread. Deal with it. This forum is a borefest without these posts anyway. If you don't like it, don't read the thread.

This forum is a borefest

You are free to leave at any time.

58 seconds ago, evildictait​or wrote

*snip*

You are free to leave at any time.

Sure. I just don't get it why some of you get such panic attacks about the flamey Win8 posts. At least they bring action into this forum.

You have a to be manic prozac user to find threads like these preferable to a healthy W8 flame war.

...Except this 

7 minutes ago, wastingtime​withforums wrote

You have a to be manic prozac user to find threads like these preferable to healthy W8 flame war.

If starting flame wars on the internets turns you on every day, I think even Prozac might not help you.

Bill Gates, Ballmer, and Da, da, da, da... Not a great version but I think you get the idea...

30 seconds ago, DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

For me RT = ReTarded. It seems Microsoft is more inclined from the top down to worry about Windows branding on everything (and their geeks loving the kernel onto everything too) rather than worrying about end-user experience. 

With Windows 8 it's more about EGO on everything. Concerns of devs, users and even top OEMs are irrelevant. It seems they would rather deal with returned RT Surfaces than clearing up the naming confusion. The last time I've looked the mail up still wasn't able to to use the most common mail protocol... and on it goes.  

These decisions are hardly rational anymore. It seems to me, that they have developed a tight mantra, which says that the Windows 8 design decisions set-up 12-24 months ago need to be followed rigidly, with no modifcations or fine-tuning allowed. No matter the resulting effects or customer/business partner needs.

Of course, what if they use the Windows RT on a non-ARM chip system?  Then you may start breaking into Windows 8, Windows 8 AMD, Windows 8 ARM, etc.

They still haven't recovered from Metro, -er, I mean "Modern" interface name change!  People don't know what to call it these days.  At least, what to call it in public within ear shot of your grandmother!

3 hours ago, exoteric wrote

... very "deep" lyrics with a certain (dare I say) humorous application to this thread.

Perhaps this might be applicable to WTWF's various windows issues...

9 hours ago, exoteric wrote

Actually, the ISS is pretty interesting. That's all I have to say 

...Except this 

 

...I don't understand what just happened...

10 hours ago, Harlequin wrote

Not sure what was wrong with "Windows 8 ARM Edition".

Three reasons off the top of my head:

• Windows RT isn't really an "edition" in the marketplace -- it's positioned more as an iOS type of operating system that happens to have the real Windows UI.  Nobody would argue that iOS is an "edition" of Mac OS X, despite it being built on the same core.... right?
• For the most part, Microsoft doesn't use the word "Edition" in their product names anymore.
• To most people, "ARM" is a body part, not a CPU architecture.  

I don't think customer is confused by the difference. I think the customer simply doesn't care, otherwise they wouldn't even bother iPad or Android tablets. What is going on, is more like Dell wants customers to buy the more expensive Pro version, but, failed to convince them. Thus, they have the scapegoat saying customers is confused. But, the reality is, customers don't care. For people who really want to run old apps, they already know they need Pro version. But, most consumers will just run internet, email, and some casual games. A lot of them don't need the pro version.

I actually would recommend RT over Pro to many people.

1 hour ago, magicalclick wrote

Windows CE and Windows Mobile and Windows Phone all doesn't run genuine Windows software. I am so furious.

"Windows CE" wasn't even advertized by that name much most of the time. The devices also didn't look like a notebook and were obviously incapable to run Windows applications by the look of them alone. Mobile and Phone are kinda self-explainatory.

"RT On the other hand sounds pretty much like XP, ME and NT - all all those were able to run Win32 software. it also has a Desktop and the Surface pretty much looks laptopy.

How do you explain to the the average customer that a Windows that HAS the traditional Desktop, has almost the same name like Windows XP, runs Office that looks exactly like the Windows Office, and runs on a computer that looks very laptopy ISN'T able to run Windows software? That explanation will suck.

I don't think customer is confused by the difference. I think the customer simply doesn't care, otherwise they wouldn't even bother iPad or Android tablets.

Most people who have tablets still have a laptop or desktop PC. I thought Win8 is all about "everything at once"? If that's not the case, why getting RT at all? Why not get an iPad instead? It's far more mature and has far more apps.

What is going on, is more like Dell wants customers to buy the more expensive Pro version, but, failed to convince them.

That's why RT is doing sooo great..

Thus, they have the scapegoat saying customers is confused. But, the reality is, customers don't care.

To quote my OP post: ...forced Microsoft to extend its Surface RT return policies after consumers realized the device could not run their favorite Windows applications.

For people who really want to run old apps, they already know they need Pro version.

How is that so evident? Microsoft actually isn't exactly trumpeting this fact from the rooftops.

But, most consumers will just run internet, email, and some casual games. A lot of them don't need the pro version.

I actually would recommend RT over Pro to many people.

The early 2000s called, they want your argument back. Wasn't it the same reason why "Year of the Linux Desktop" would take off any time soon? Only back then it was "Web-apps is all you need". You're underestimating the tens of millions of Windows applications and games many people are accustomed too. Also Java is used on a lot of banking- and internal school sites too and doesn't run on RT. If you ONLY need the pure limited tablet functionality, IOS is a far a better deal right now. I thought a Windows tablet is ideal for people who also want to run World of Warcraft on such a thing or do some quick Quicken task. "Windows RT" doesn't make it clear that this isn't possible, so, what's left? Shelling big bucks for the Metro UI because it's so beautiful?

2 hours ago, warren wrote

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Three reasons off the top of my head:

• Windows RT isn't really an "edition" in the marketplace -- it's positioned more as an iOS type of operating system that happens to have the real Windows UI.  Nobody would argue that iOS is an "edition" of Mac OS X, despite it being built on the same core.... right?
• For the most part, Microsoft doesn't use the word "Edition" in their product names anymore.
• To most people, "ARM" is a body part, not a CPU architecture.  

It also prejudices Microsoft to what basically is an implementation detail. Windows RT has lots of restrictions (like Microsoft signing of drivers, no desktop apps etc) which are a consequence of Microsoft's policies, not a consequence of the architecture.

Declaring Windows-RT to be "Windows on ARM" makes it hard for Microsoft to later blend the two by allowing you to run Windows8 (i.e. not RT) on ARM desktops or allowing people to run RT on x86 tablets.

That all being said, I think "Windows8 Tablet" would have been a much better name than "Windows RT".

well, it is a lot easier to transition back to Pro from RT when their RT apps works on Pro as well, with no extra charge to redownload the apps they have bought. That's a lot different compare to other OS.

my dad still complains the cd burning app that only works on particular non-DVD Sony drives that doesn't work on Windows 7 with a DVD burnner installed. Should I say Windows 7 confuses my dad?