, Maddus Mattus wrote

@DeathByVisualStudio: These people die an average ten years younger then non smokers. So they don't need pensions and hip replacements. Smokers are cheaper for society then non smokers.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30092491/

You should see who is making that claim, and you're not relaying this part of the article with your statement at all:

Dr. Terry Pechacek, the CDC associate director for science in the office on smoking and health, said that data seeking to quantify economic benefits of smoking couldn't capture all the benefits associated with longevity, like a grandparent's contribution to a family. Because of such uncertainties the CDC won't put a price tag on savings from smoking.

Child care savings with non-smoking grandparents may more than offset the health expense (of long-lived non-smokers).

Besides, who's in favor of controlling health care costs through promoting activities which shorten lifespan?

Vanderbilt University economist Kip Viscusi studied the net costs of smoking-related spending and savings and found that for every pack of cigarettes smoked, the country reaps a net cost savings of 32 cents.

A Dutch study published last year in the Public Library of Science Medicine journal said that health care costs for smokers were about $326,000 from age 20 on, compared to about $417,000 for thin and healthy people.

Who would be so crass as to state that non-smokers are a bigger drain on health care? Are tobacco companies funding these studies?

More recently, in 2006 the Heartland Institute partnered with the National Association of Tobacco Outlets (NATO) in "a campaign to change public opinion about tobacco." The campaign will utilize press releases, letters to editors and an effort to win coverage in magazines and journals, according to an article about the partnership on the NPN Market Pulse web site, a news and information site for petroleum and convenience store marketers. Tom Briant, NATO's Executive Director, said, vowed to work to prevent public health smoking restrictions from being enacted in any more states. "We will certainly work to try and prevent similar statewide smoking bans from being adopted in other states," Briant said, "because we believe the owners of bars and restaurants should have the right to determine how they accommodate their customers and not have government dictate those kinds of regulations."[

In February 2009 Heartland lists 5 of its personnel as being "Tobacco Policy Experts".[21] These were Joseph Bast, Ralph Connor, the Local Legislation Manager; John Nothdurft, Heartland's Legislative Specialist; Brad Rodu, from the University of Louisville and W. Kip Viscusi, a Professor of Law at Vanderbilt University Law School.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heartland_Institute_and_tobacco