I cannot believe this. What a pack of amateurs.

Anyone care to explain how this is ok with anything? How many businesses are out of business today from this flippant unprofessionalism?

Insane.

So is Microsoft going to block all Java?     It would be very stupid I believe.

18 minutes ago, JohnAskew wrote

So is Microsoft going to block all Java?     It would be very stupid I believe.

No. Java is made by another company (Oracle), and if Microsoft started playing Shenanigans to disable Oracles' software for clients that depend on it, they might get sued for unfair business practices by both Oracle (because Microsoft is unfairly depriving them of customers) and by the customers (because Microsoft is unfairly disabling their business critical apps).

That said, I'm pretty sure everyone at Microsoft would strongly advise companies to consider alternatives, but that's an entirely different ball game.

Over the last couple of years, with Java it seems like it has shown a pattern of repeated early stage wide spread exploitation.  Something about that seems very different from the past.

57 minutes ago, magicalclick wrote

@JohnAskew: because Windows has 90% of desktop market share and Apple does not.

And 99.99% of the business desktop share.

And for those that don't like it, this type of reaction is one of the reasons why it has 99.99% of the business desktop share.

15 minutes ago, evildictait​or wrote

*snip*

And 99.99% of the business desktop share.

And for those that don't like it, this type of reaction is one of the reasons why it has 99.99% of the business desktop share.

QFT

2 hours ago, gcorcoran wrote

For all the businesses using and developing java based applications, it just seems shocking to block it without any warning. Just think about how much time it would take to drop everything and develop in a different language in a business world full of already tight schedules... it's just insane.

Hardly without warning: the way I read it, Apple just reverted a previous decision to re-enable Java after finding out that Oracle's patch was only partially effective.

I'm not an apologist of Apple's tactics, but this time they are kind of justified by Oracle's incompetence.

1 minute ago, Blue Ink wrote

I'm not an apologist of Apple's tactics, but this time they are kind of justified by Oracle's incompetence.

I'm not sure a bank who can't make any money today because all of their trader's java application just stopped working on all of their Macs will see it the same way.

Disabling people's software should only be done by consent of the user. Remotely crippling someone's machine under the guise of a security patch makes people less likely to install security patches in future (putting them at more risk), and means that your platform isn't suitable for running in an environment where being able to use your company's application today is important.

If I were an Apple user right now I'd be worried that anyone (Apple included) can remotely mess with my machine without my express consent. That's scary as anything.

28 minutes ago, magicalclick wrote

Hell, Firefox is doing "trust" as well. Because it blocks Java and Silverlight while allow Flash to be used which is top 10 worst software with tons of security holes.

Click-to-Play is not really the same.

5 hours ago, Kental2 wrote

Honestly, as much as I abhor Java, I am rather stunned by Apple's decision.  

No need to be stunned. This is not the first time they done that, and I'm convinced this will not be the last time. (Thinking how that manage AppStore)

And business that develop on Apple platforms are used to sudden sharp change to development environment. (Thinking their decision to go from MacOS to MaxOSX, then from PowerPC to x86 CPU architecture.) Seems things will be in order again soon enough.

2 hours ago, evildictait​or wrote

*snip*

Disabling people's software should only be done by consent of the user. Remotely crippling someone's machine under the guise of a security... *snip*

1 hour ago, GoddersUK wrote

*snip*

If I were an Apple user right now I'd be worried that anyone (Apple included) can remotely mess with my machine without my express consent. That's scary as anything.

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Sorry to beat the same old drum but, this highlights why I steer clear of Apple and, why I am troubled by others apparent desire to emulate them... I'm just say'n.

That's an important part of decision. When my friends invited me to join their army to do some "gold rush" to iPhone Apps market years ago, this is the major consideration that makes me think that probably won't worth the effort.

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/apples-block-on-java-blocks-ad-flow-20130201-2dpix.html

8 hours ago, brich wrote

For Mac users, it is trivial to download the Java JRE and plugin, and simple as pie to enable or disable Java, I've done this in about 30 seconds on multiple Macs....unlike the piece of sh*t implementation we deal with on Win 7 enterprise at the office where our payroll partner is about 3 generations behind on their Java config, so our systems are forced to use an older version for 'compatibility' reasons.....what a joke. There is a bunch of tribal wisdom in this thread that is just dark humor, if you catch my drift.

On your home Windows7 machine it's also trivial to download the Java JRE and plugin and as simple as pie to enable or disable Java.

What you're talking about isn't a problem with Windows7, but rather a problem with your payroll partner.

This discussion is not whether Java is easy to use, install and upgrade, but rather whether it is acceptable to remotely kill your payroll partner without asking whether they need that Java first.

1 day ago, JohnAskew wrote

I cannot believe this. What a pack of amateurs.

Anyone care to explain how this is ok with anything? How many businesses are out of business today from this flippant unprofessionalism?

You would think that the people who provide Java would be more professional and create software that wasn't a menace to society. I totally agree.

-Josh

17 minutes ago, JoshRoss wrote

*snip*

You would think that the people who provide Java would be more professional and create software that wasn't a menace to society. I totally agree.

-Josh

++. QFT.

3 hours ago, evildictait​or wrote

*snip*

On your home Windows7 machine it's also trivial to download the Java JRE and plugin and as simple as pie to enable or disable Java.

What you're talking about isn't a problem with Windows7, but rather a problem with your payroll partner.

This discussion is not whether Java is easy to use, install and upgrade, but rather whether it is acceptable to remotely kill your payroll partner without asking whether they need that Java first.

I think it is more about making an intelligent strategic decision to deep-six Java, period; and move past the 1990s.

We also echo the advisory from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and security experts to encourage users to disable Java on their computers in their browsers. For instructions on how to disable Java, read this recent Slate article.

Something tells me Java malware infected pc's were used to attack Twitter's infrastructure.

51 minutes ago, brich wrote

I think it is more about making an intelligent strategic decision to deep-six Java, period; and move past the 1990s.

It's definitely a good idea for your payroll partners to move past Java and into the 21st Century, but that's a decision that your payroll partners should be making on their own terms. It's not for Apple to make that decision for them.

40 minutes ago, Bass wrote

Wow something bad about Apple and Java on Channel9, in one neat post. It's almost like a feeding frenzy.

Are you worried that C9 threads are too heavilly biased in favour of Microsoft products?

1 hour ago, evildictait​or wrote

*snip*

Are you worried that C9 threads are too heavilly biased in favour of Microsoft products?

I'd be interested in seeing more positive posts about Microsoft products, instead of negative posts about everything.

2 hours ago, evildictait​or wrote

*snip*

It's definitely a good idea for your payroll partners to move past Java and into the 21st Century, but that's a decision that your payroll partners should be making on their own terms. It's not for Apple to make that decision for them.

Uh....they don't interface with Apple in our enterprise....the FUBAR is with the Java implementation they require for our thousands of Win 7 Enterprise installs.

58 minutes ago, brich wrote

Uh....they don't interface with Apple in our enterprise....the FUBAR is with the Java implementation they require for our thousands of Win 7 Enterprise installs.

So are you saying that you're disappointed that Microsoft didn't cripple your payroll partner's app by remotely disabling Java, or are you just saying that you wish your payroll partners didn't depend on Java?

If Apple stopped playing these kind of shenanigans, it would be easier for enterprise to rely on them in a corporate environment. This kind of activity is disappointing for people who want to see more Macs in the workplace. Seeing Apple punishing IT departments that choose Macs as part of their fleet by disabling enterprise-critical apps on those Macs without consulting them first makes it even less likely that an IT department will move away from the Windows monoculture in the office any time soon.

8 hours ago, evildictait​or wrote

*snip*

So are you saying that you're disappointed that Microsoft didn't cripple your payroll partner's app by remotely disabling Java, or are you just saying that you wish your payroll partners didn't depend on Java?

If Apple stopped playing these kind of shenanigans, it would be easier for enterprise to rely on them in a corporate environment. This kind of activity is disappointing for people who want to see more Macs in the workplace. Seeing Apple punishing IT departments that choose Macs as part of their fleet by disabling enterprise-critical apps on those Macs without consulting them first makes it even less likely that an IT department will move away from the Windows monoculture in the office any time soon.

You miss the point....the problem is enterprise-sucking apps that rely on Java...I'm saying that Java needs to die and quickly...it's a POS malware vector, regardless of OS used in the enterprise. The Windows monoculture is destined to change anyway...iPads and Macbooks have already infiltrated our environment, which would have been unthinkable 3 yrs ago.