@cbae: This was post-install, after final reboot, sitting on the desktop not during install. Regardless of install or pre-installed this problem may exist in the wild if it's a Microsoft provided driver or common driver (Intel integrated video driver). Grandma is still screwed.
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DeathByVisualStudio
If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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@DeathByVisualStudio: Most OEMs test their computers for driver compatibility before they let them go out in the wild. Given the countless number of available peripherals, they're probably going to select the combinations that don't cause BSODs.
I have a 6-year old notebook that's been a b1tch to find working display drivers for. Every hacked Windows 8 display driver I've been able to find causes the screen to go dim because it doesn't work properly with my computer's brightness controls.
The thing is, I had to deal with the same * when I installed Windows 7 on it a couple years ago. It's amazing that the display driver is the only thing on this old POS that isn't working properly in Windows 8. For now, I have to live with a skewed 1600 x 1200 display (the native resolution is 1920 x 1200) until I find the right driver.
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Sven Groot
Don't worry... I'm a doctor.
One nice thing I just noticed is that your mouse will "stick" to the corner of a screen even if that corner is in between two screens in a multi-monitor setup. As long as at least one edge of the monitor isn't adjacent to another monitor that makes it really easy to throw your mouse into the corner even with multiple monitors.
I'm not sure if this was in RP or not, but it's the first time I noticed it.
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DeathByVisualStudio
If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
4 hours ago, cbae wrote
@DeathByVisualStudio: Most OEMs test their computers for driver compatibility before they let them go out in the wild. Given the countless number of available peripherals, they're probably going to select the combinations that don't cause BSODs.
I have a 6-year old notebook that's been a b1tch to find working display drivers for. Every hacked Windows 8 display driver I've been able to find causes the screen to go dim because it doesn't work properly with my computer's brightness controls.
The thing is, I had to deal with the same * when I installed Windows 7 on it a couple years ago. It's amazing that the display driver is the only thing on this old POS that isn't working properly in Windows 8. For now, I have to live with a skewed 1600 x 1200 display (the native resolution is 1920 x 1200) until I find the right driver.
So you have an old POS notebook. Congrats on cobbling together a working solution. That still has zero impact on my OOB experience no grandma's down the road. Microsoft certifies the drivers, the oem tests the integration and still you get BSOD, W7, W8 regardless it still doesn't compare with Apple's OOB experience and that's what Microsoft needs to meet or exceed, I was hoping for better. Since this mornings episode I've had IE hang 4 times. Not a problem on any of the other previews. Quality - it's in the box...
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12 minutes ago, DeathByVisualStudio wrote
*snip*
So you have an old POS notebook. Congrats on cobbling together a working solution.That still has zero impact on my OOB experience no grandma's down the road.
You seem to have bug up your * about Windows 8 and love to complain about how shitty the overall experience is compared to Windows 7. So I brought up my old POS notebook to point out that when I installed Windows 8 on it, the video driver compatibility issues were no different from when I installed Windows 7. Considering that my hardware is another 2 years older than it was when I upgraded XP to Windows 7, having only a display driver issue is pleasantly surprising. Beyond that, the OOBE of Windows 8 was quite pleasant. The installation of the OS itself went quickly and flawlessly.
Microsoft certifies the drivers, the oem tests the integration and still you get BSOD, W7, W8 regardless it still doesn't compare with Apple's OOB experience and that's what Microsoft needs to meet or exceed, I was hoping for better.Are you seriously comparing the OOBE of installing Windows 8 on whatever hardware you yourself cobbled together vs. buying a brand spanking new MacBook Pro? Seriously? Compare apples to apples, my friend.
And why do you keep bringing up Grandma? Grandma's OOBE experience isn't going to consist of downloading an ISO, burning it onto a DVD, and then installing it onto an old Windows 7 machine. Grandma's OOBE experience will be unboxing a brand spanking new Windows 8 notebook by HP that she bought from BestBuy. That experience will be a lot closer to somebody else's grandma unboxing an iPad than it is to your or my OOBE installing Windows 8 onto an old Windows 7 machine.
Since this mornings episode I've had IE hang 4 times. Not a problem on any of the other previews. Quality - it's in the box...Browsers are browsers, and browsers hang--a lot. And it's not just IE. I've had Chrome hang or had the Flash plugin for Chrome crash on Windows 7 more often than I can count, and it hasn't been much better on Windows 8. You can't blame the OS for a browser hanging on you.
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DeathByVisualStudio
If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
@cbae: Dude you seriously need to get over yourself on the downloaded, installed DVD on crap hardware stuff. This is RTM software. This is what OEMs are going to ship. That's what Grandma is gonna buy on a new computer she gets from Best Buy -- you know comparable to buying an brand new iPad or MacBook.
Beyond bad drivers and browser crashes I'm sure she's going to love the quality apps included in her brand new W8 PC; you know like the Mail app that instantly crashed on me when adding my Gmail account. I haven't are near as many hang-ups and crashes so back-to-back on any of the previews.
So I guess plug-in free Metro IE doesn't really help on browser lockups. The funny thing is one of the times it croaked it was when I was refreshing the thread list here on this forum. For the record all of the browser lockups and crashes occurred on Metro IE.
Yeah the beta test is over! Cake for everyone!
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15 minutes ago, DeathByVisualStudio wrote
Beyond bad drivers and browser crashes I'm sure she's going to love the quality apps included in her brand new W8 PC; you know like the Mail app
Don't forget the quality ads she will get served by the built-in weather app.
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evildictaitor
I'll live forever, or die trying!
5 minutes ago, DeathByVisualStudio wrote
Beyond bad drivers and browser crashes I'm sure she's going to love the quality apps included in her brand new W8 PC; you know like the Mail app that instantly crashed on me when adding my Gmail account. I haven't are near as many hang-ups and crashes so back-to-back on any of the previews.
So I guess plug-in free Metro IE doesn't really help on browser lockups. The funny thing is one of the times it croaked it was when I was refreshing the thread list here on this forum. For the record all of the browser lockups and crashes occurred on Metro IE.
Yeah the beta test is over! Cake for everyone!
If you're having driver troubles, it's hardly surprising that apps are locking up and randomly dying.
Care to give us a list of your drivers? To do this run "driverquery > out.txt" from a command prompt.
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DeathByVisualStudio
If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
All OOB stuff. I haven't done anything funky with the tablet yet. Device manager looks good too; no unknown devices or whammies. Thanks.
*EDIT*: This morning I installed Visual Studio, Office 2012, and MotoDev Studio so this list may include some additions since my bad OOB yesterday.
Module Name Display Name Driver Type Link Date
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1394ohci 1394 OHCI Compliant Ho Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:46 PM
3ware 3ware Kernel 3/8/2012 12:33:45 PM
ACPI Microsoft ACPI Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:26 PM
acpials ALS Sensor Filter Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:02 PM
acpiex Microsoft ACPIEx Drive Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:57 PM
acpipagr ACPI Processor Aggrega Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:16 PM
AcpiPmi ACPI Power Meter Drive Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:33 PM
acpitime ACPI Wake Alarm Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:37 PM
adp94xx adp94xx Kernel 12/5/2008 3:54:42 PM
adpahci adpahci Kernel 5/1/2007 10:30:09 AM
adpu320 adpu320 Kernel 2/27/2007 4:04:15 PM
AFD Ancillary Function Dri Kernel 7/25/2012 7:24:27 PM
agp440 Intel AGP Bus Filter Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:13 PM
AmdK8 AMD K8 Processor Drive Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:48 PM
AmdPPM AMD Processor Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:48 PM
amdsata amdsata Kernel 6/11/2012 3:19:56 PM
amdsbs amdsbs Kernel 2/21/2012 10:15:43 AM
amdxata amdxata Kernel 6/11/2012 3:36:48 PM
AppID AppID Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:12 PM
arc arc Kernel 3/19/2012 10:49:21 AM
arcsas Adaptec SAS/SATA-II RA Kernel 3/19/2012 10:51:00 AM
AsyncMac RAS Asynchronous Media Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:25 PM
atapi IDE Channel Kernel 7/25/2012 7:30:33 PM
athr Qualcomm Atheros Exten Kernel 3/21/2012 8:26:22 PM
b06bdrv Broadcom NetXtreme II Kernel 5/14/2012 2:42:24 PM
BasicDisplay BasicDisplay Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:08 PM
BasicRender BasicRender Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:51 PM
Beep Beep Kernel 7/25/2012 7:30:19 PM
bowser Browser Support Driver File System 7/25/2012 7:28:01 PM
BthAvrcpTg Bluetooth Audio/Video Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:27 PM
BthEnum Bluetooth Enumerator S Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:17 PM
BthHFEnum Bluetooth Hands-Free A Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:13 PM
bthhfhid Bluetooth Hands-Free C Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:30 PM
BTHMODEM Bluetooth Serial Commu Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:11 PM
BthPan Bluetooth Device (Pers Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:42 PM
BTHPORT Bluetooth Port Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:24:01 PM
BTHUSB Bluetooth Radio USB Dr Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:16 PM
cdfs CD/DVD File System Rea File System 7/25/2012 7:30:10 PM
cdrom CD-ROM Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:36 PM
circlass Consumer IR Devices Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:06 PM
CLFS Common Log (CLFS) Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:39 PM
CmBatt Microsoft ACPI Control Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:20 PM
CNG CNG Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:34 PM
CompositeBus Composite Bus Enumerat Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:03 PM
condrv Console Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:30:08 PM
CSC Offline Files Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:53 PM
dam Desktop Activity Moder Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:21 PM
Dfsc DFS Namespace Client D File System 7/25/2012 7:26:53 PM
discache System Attribute Cache Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:23 PM
disk Disk Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:25 PM
dmvsc dmvsc Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:57 PM
drmkaud Microsoft Trusted Audi Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:51 PM
DXGKrnl LDDM Graphics Subsyste Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:27 PM
ebdrv Broadcom NetXtreme II Kernel 5/13/2012 8:32:42 AM
EhStorClass Enhanced Storage Filte Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:24 PM
EhStorTcgDrv Microsoft driver for s Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:41 PM
ErrDev Microsoft Hardware Err Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:13 PM
exfat exFAT File System Driv File System 7/25/2012 7:30:22 PM
fastfat FAT12/16/32 File Syste File System 7/25/2012 7:30:23 PM
fdc Floppy Disk Controller Kernel 7/25/2012 7:30:15 PM
FileInfo File Information FS Mi File System 7/25/2012 7:28:02 PM
Filetrace Filetrace File System 7/25/2012 7:29:09 PM
flpydisk Floppy Disk Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:30:15 PM
FltMgr FltMgr File System 7/25/2012 7:30:09 PM
FsDepends File System Dependency File System 7/25/2012 7:29:11 PM
fvevol BitLocker Drive Encryp Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:46 PM
FxPPM Power Framework Proces Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:58 PM
gagp30kx Microsoft Generic AGPv Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:14 PM
gencounter Microsoft Hyper-V Gene Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:58 PM
GPIOClx0101 Microsoft GPIO Class E Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:13 PM
GTNDIS62 GT62 UHS IP NDIS Kernel 11/2/2011 3:29:55 AM
GTUHSBUS GT UHS BUS Kernel 10/3/2011 8:42:32 AM
GTUHSSER GT UHS SER Kernel 10/3/2011 8:41:03 AM
HdAudAddServ Microsoft 1.1 UAA Func Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:49 PM
HDAudBus Microsoft UAA Bus Driv Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:35 PM
HidBatt HID UPS Battery Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:45 PM
HidBth Microsoft Bluetooth HI Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:06 PM
hidi2c Microsoft I2C HID Mini Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:54 PM
HidIr Microsoft Infrared HID Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:06 PM
HidUsb Microsoft HID Class Dr Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:25 PM
HpSAMD HpSAMD Kernel 5/30/2012 3:24:33 PM
HTTP HTTP Service Kernel 7/25/2012 7:24:55 PM
hwpolicy Hardware Policy Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:51 PM
hyperkbd hyperkbd Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:00 PM
HyperVideo HyperVideo Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:03 PM
i8042prt i8042 Keyboard and PS/ Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:50 PM
iaStorV Intel RAID Controller Kernel 4/11/2011 11:48:16 AM
igfx igfx Kernel 5/24/2012 9:24:33 PM
iirsp iirsp Kernel 12/13/2005 1:47:54 PM
intelide intelide Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:52 PM
intelppm Intel Processor Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:48 PM
IpFilterDriv IP Traffic Filter Driv Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:02 PM
IPNAT IP Network Address Tra Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:01 PM
IRENUM IR Bus Enumerator Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:54 PM
isapnp isapnp Kernel 7/25/2012 7:30:02 PM
iScsiPrt iScsiPort Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:03 PM
kbdclass Keyboard Class Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:47 PM
kbdhid Keyboard HID Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:49 PM
kdnic Microsoft Kernel Debug Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:41 PM
KSecDD KSecDD Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:35 PM
KSecPkg KSecPkg Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:35 PM
ksthunk Kernel Streaming Thunk Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:58 PM
lltdio Link-Layer Topology Di Kernel 7/25/2012 7:24:02 PM
LSI_SAS LSI_SAS Kernel 5/11/2012 12:40:21 PM
LSI_SAS2 LSI_SAS2 Kernel 3/12/2012 1:28:53 PM
LSI_SCSI LSI_SCSI Kernel 2/21/2012 3:59:35 PM
LSI_SSS LSI_SSS Kernel 2/21/2012 4:00:12 PM
luafv UAC File Virtualizatio File System 7/25/2012 7:29:13 PM
megasas megasas Kernel 4/3/2012 12:45:15 PM
MegaSR MegaSR Kernel 2/24/2012 10:22:15 AM
MEIx64 Intel(R) Management En Kernel 10/19/2010 4:33:43 PM
Modem Modem Kernel 7/25/2012 7:30:07 PM
monitor Microsoft Monitor Clas Kernel 7/25/2012 7:24:55 PM
mouclass Mouse Class Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:47 PM
mouhid Mouse HID Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:47 PM
mountmgr Mount Point Manager Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:33 PM
mpsdrv Windows Firewall Autho Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:38 PM
MRxDAV WebDav Client Redirect File System 7/25/2012 7:26:02 PM
mrxsmb SMB MiniRedirector Wra File System 7/25/2012 7:23:24 PM
mrxsmb10 SMB 1.x MiniRedirector File System 7/25/2012 7:23:06 PM
mrxsmb20 SMB 2.0 MiniRedirector File System 7/25/2012 7:27:00 PM
MsBridge Microsoft MAC Bridge Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:17 PM
Msfs Msfs File System 7/25/2012 7:30:24 PM
msgpiowin32 GPIO Buttons Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:27 PM
mshidkmdf Pass-through HID to KM Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:24 PM
mshidumdf Pass-through HID to UM Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:14 PM
msisadrv msisadrv Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:02 PM
MSKSSRV Microsoft Streaming Se Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:55 PM
MSPCLOCK Microsoft Streaming Cl Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:55 PM
MSPQM Microsoft Streaming Qu Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:57 PM
MsRPC MsRPC Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:37 PM
mssmbios Microsoft System Manag Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:19 PM
MSTEE Microsoft Streaming Te Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:37 PM
MTConfig Microsoft Input Config Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:11 PM
Mup Mup File System 7/25/2012 7:30:00 PM
mvumis mvumis Kernel 3/20/2012 12:43:50 AM
NativeWifiP NativeWiFi Filter Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:11 PM
NDIS NDIS System Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:20 PM
NdisCap Microsoft NDIS Capture Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:30 PM
NdisImPlatfo Microsoft Network Adap Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:01 PM
NdisTapi Remote Access NDIS TAP Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:39 PM
Ndisuio NDIS Usermode I/O Prot Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:21 PM
NdisWan Remote Access NDIS WAN Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:13 PM
NDISWANLEGAC Remote Access LEGACY N Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:13 PM
NDProxy NDIS Proxy Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:41 PM
Ndu Windows Network Data U Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:41 PM
NetBIOS NetBIOS Interface File System 7/25/2012 7:28:19 PM
NetBT NetBT Kernel 7/25/2012 7:24:26 PM
nfrd960 nfrd960 Kernel 6/6/2006 2:11:48 PM
Npfs Npfs File System 7/25/2012 7:30:26 PM
npsvctrig Named pipe service tri Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:33 PM
nsiproxy NSI Proxy Service Driv Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:00 PM
Ntfs Ntfs File System 7/25/2012 7:27:31 PM
Null Null Kernel 7/25/2012 7:30:16 PM
nvraid nvraid Kernel 9/12/2011 5:01:54 PM
nvstor nvstor Kernel 9/12/2011 4:53:04 PM
nv_agp NVIDIA nForce AGP Bus Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:16 PM
Parport Parallel port driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:53 PM
partmgr Partition Manager Kernel 7/25/2012 7:30:03 PM
pci PCI Bus Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:43 PM
pciide pciide Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:52 PM
pcmcia pcmcia Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:45 PM
pcw Performance Counters f Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:44 PM
pdc pdc Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:10 PM
PEAUTH PEAUTH Kernel 7/25/2012 7:24:24 PM
PptpMiniport WAN Miniport (PPTP) Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:13 PM
Processor Processor Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:48 PM
Psched QoS Packet Scheduler Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:05 PM
QWAVEdrv QWAVE driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:00 PM
RasAcd Remote Access Auto Con Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:49 PM
RasAgileVpn WAN Miniport (IKEv2) Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:11 PM
Rasl2tp WAN Miniport (L2TP) Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:16 PM
RasPppoe Remote Access PPPOE Dr Kernel 7/25/2012 7:24:55 PM
RasSstp WAN Miniport (SSTP) Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:59 PM
rdbss Redirected Buffering S File System 7/25/2012 7:25:57 PM
rdpbus Remote Desktop Device Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:19 PM
RDPDR Remote Desktop Device Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:18 PM
RdpVideoMini Remote Desktop Video M Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:31 PM
RDPWD RDP Winstation Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:24 PM
rdyboost ReadyBoost Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:34 PM
RFCOMM Bluetooth Device (RFCO Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:24 PM
rspndr Link-Layer Topology Di Kernel 7/25/2012 7:24:06 PM
RTL8168 Realtek 8168 NT Driver Kernel 10/19/2011 5:12:55 AM
s3cap s3cap Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:16 PM
sbp2port SBP-2 Transport/Protoc Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:48 PM
scfilter Smart card PnP Class F Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:04 PM
sdbus sdbus Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:50 PM
sdstor SD Storage Port Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:11 PM
secdrv Security Driver Kernel 9/13/2006 6:18:38 AM
SensorsAlsDr UMDF Reflector service Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:06 PM
SensorsHIDCl UMDF Reflector service Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:06 PM
SensorsServi UMDF Reflector service Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:06 PM
SensorsSimul UMDF Reflector service Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:06 PM
SerCx Serial UART Support Li Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:46 PM
Serenum Serenum Filter Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:30:13 PM
Serial Serial port driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:30:01 PM
sermouse Serial Mouse Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:50 PM
sfloppy High-Capacity Floppy D Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:47 PM
silabenm Silicon Labs CP210x US Kernel 5/27/2010 3:13:54 PM
silabser Silicon Labs CP210x US Kernel 1/10/2011 8:41:18 AM
SiSRaid2 SiSRaid2 Kernel 9/24/2008 11:28:20 AM
SiSRaid4 SiSRaid4 Kernel 10/1/2008 2:56:04 PM
spaceport Storage Spaces Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:36 PM
SpbCx Simple Peripheral Bus Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:43 PM
srv Server SMB 1.xxx Drive File System 7/25/2012 7:25:28 PM
srv2 Server SMB 2.xxx Drive File System 7/25/2012 7:25:31 PM
srvnet srvnet File System 7/25/2012 7:23:17 PM
stexstor stexstor Kernel 11/18/2011 4:27:32 PM
storahci Microsoft Standard SAT Kernel 7/25/2012 7:30:35 PM
storflt Hyper-V Storage Accele Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:47 PM
storvsc storvsc Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:51 PM
storvsp storvsp Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:22 PM
swenum Software Bus Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:53 PM
Synth3dVsc Microsoft Virtual 3D V Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:55 PM
Tcpip TCP/IP Protocol Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:24 PM
TCPIP6 Microsoft IPv6 Protoco Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:24 PM
tcpipreg TCP/IP Registry Compat Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:13 PM
tdx NetIO Legacy TDI Suppo Kernel 7/25/2012 7:24:58 PM
terminpt Microsoft Remote Deskt Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:53 PM
TPM TPM Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:28 PM
TsUsbFlt TsUsbFlt Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:55 PM
TsUsbGD Remote Desktop Generic Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:34 PM
tsusbhub tsusbhub Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:42 PM
tunnel Microsoft Tunnel Minip Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:04 PM
uagp35 Microsoft AGPv3.5 Filt Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:13 PM
UASPStor USB Attached SCSI (UAS Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:04 PM
UCX01000 USB Controller Extensi Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:09 PM
udfs udfs File System 7/25/2012 7:30:18 PM
uliagpkx Uli AGP Bus Filter Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:15 PM
umbus UMBus Enumerator Drive Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:39 PM
UmPass Microsoft UMPass Drive Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:36 PM
usbaudio USB Audio Driver (WDM) Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:27 PM
usbccgp Microsoft USB Generic Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:06 PM
usbcir eHome Infrared Receive Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:07 PM
usbehci Microsoft USB 2.0 Enha Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:48 PM
usbhub Microsoft USB Standard Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:35 PM
USBHUB3 SuperSpeed Hub Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:37 PM
usbohci Microsoft USB Open Hos Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:59 PM
usbprint Microsoft USB PRINTER Kernel 7/25/2012 7:24:50 PM
USBSTOR USB Mass Storage Drive Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:04 PM
usbuhci Microsoft USB Universa Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:00 PM
usbvideo USB Video Device (WDM) Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:03 PM
USBXHCI USB xHCI Compliant Hos Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:46 PM
vdrvroot Microsoft Virtual Driv Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:29 PM
VerifierExt VerifierExt Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:18 PM
vhdmp vhdmp Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:44 PM
viaide viaide Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:52 PM
Vid Vid Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:26 PM
vmbus Virtual Machine Bus Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:11 PM
VMBusHID VMBusHID Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:34 PM
vmbusr Virtual Machine Bus Pr Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:12 PM
volmgr Volume Manager Driver Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:22 PM
volmgrx Dynamic Volume Manager Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:59 PM
volsnap Storage volumes Kernel 7/25/2012 7:30:26 PM
vpci Microsoft Hyper-V Virt Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:12 PM
vpcivsp Microsoft Hyper-V PCI Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:12 PM
vsmraid vsmraid Kernel 1/31/2012 11:55:18 AM
VSPerfDrv110 Performance Tools Driv Kernel 7/1/2012 8:25:47 PM
VSTXRAID VIA StorX Storage Cont Kernel 3/26/2012 10:42:56 AM
vwifibus Virtual WiFi Bus Drive Kernel 7/25/2012 7:27:54 PM
vwififlt Virtual WiFi Filter Dr Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:39 PM
vwifimp Virtual WiFi Miniport Kernel 7/25/2012 7:26:39 PM
WacomPen Wacom Serial Pen HID D Kernel 7/25/2012 7:29:08 PM
Wanarp Remote Access IP ARP D Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:07 PM
Wanarpv6 Remote Access IPv6 ARP Kernel 7/25/2012 7:23:07 PM
Wd Microsoft Watchdog Tim Kernel 7/25/2012 7:30:12 PM
WdBoot Windows Defender Boot Kernel 7/25/2012 7:28:04 PM
Wdf01000 Kernel Mode Driver Fra Kernel 7/25/2012 7:25:13 PM
WdFilter Windows Defender Mini- File System 7/25/2012 7:29:23 PM
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2 hours ago, DeathByVisualStudio wrote
@cbae: Dude you seriously need to get over yourself on the downloaded, installed DVD on crap hardware stuff. This is RTM software. This is what OEMs are going to ship. That's what Grandma is gonna buy on a new computer she gets from Best Buy -- you know comparable to buying an brand new iPad or MacBook.
Dude, you need to get over yourself on thinking your particular hardware is what's going to be sold by OEMs. Grandma ain't going to be getting the same year-old hardware as you currently have. Grandma is going to get brand new hardware that's been tested by the OEM over and over again with drivers that have been updated by the peripheral manufacturers.
Beyond bad drivers and browser crashes I'm sure she's going to love the quality apps included in her brand new W8 PC; you know like the Mail app that instantly crashed on me when adding my Gmail account. I haven't are near as many hang-ups and crashes so back-to-back on any of the previews.You must have one really jacked up deployment. I've set-up my Gmail account in Windows 8 Mail on 3 different machines without any problems.
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Dr Herbie
Horses for courses
@DeathByVisualStudio: What cbae is essentially saying is that OEMs will have ironed all these issues out before they release to Grandma (including writing new drivers if needed), making the OOB experience on the new hardware with Win8 pre-installed very similar to the experience with an iPad (but with varying amounts of crapware).
Herbie
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DeathByVisualStudio
If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
2 hours ago, Dr Herbie wrote
@DeathByVisualStudio: What cbae is essentially saying is that OEMs will have ironed all these issues out before they release to Grandma (including writing new drivers if needed), making the OOB experience on the new hardware with Win8 pre-installed very similar to the experience with an iPad (but with varying amounts of crapware).
Herbie
I understand what cbae is saying but I disagree. Driver issues can happen for any OEM especially if they use common parts or if the driver is Microsoft provided or some related OS flaw. OEM crapware only further adds to screwy acting systems. Add these two together on a new PC and Grandma will have a better experience on a new iPad or MacBook. I'm not saying I like that predicament for Microsoft. I'm just acknowledging that it exists and it sucks.
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@DeathByVisualStudio: The point is to fail fast, so that the issue gets picked up as early as possible (ideally before an OEM ever ships the device). If your machine wasn't blue screening, the bug would still be there but chances are it'd take a lot longer for it to get picked up, isolated and resolved and in the mean time it might well be the cause of "random" crashes and or data corruption.
Being an early adopter of an OS on (effectively) untested hardware, you kind of have to expect this kind of thing. If you want the best end-user experience then best wait till Windows 8 hardware that's fully tested with the OS comes out.
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DeathByVisualStudio
If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
@AndyC: I'll have to remember that the next time Granny's current PC and future PCs blue screen... "Hey Granny didn't you know it's for the greater good? You should be happy your PC is blue screening."
A lot has been said about what Microsoft would fix or improve before release and I just don't see that happening. They're trying to be a lot of different things to a lot of different people and it's feeling a lot like Vista -- drivers et all. We'll see what happens upon final release.
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13 minutes ago, DeathByVisualStudio wrote
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I understand what cbae is saying but I disagree. Driver issues can happen for any OEM especially if they use common parts or if the driver is Microsoft provided or some related OS flaw. OEM crapware only further adds to screwy acting systems. Add these two together on a new PC and Grandma will have a better experience on a new iPad or MacBook. I'm not saying I like that predicament for Microsoft. I'm just acknowledging that it exists and it sucks.
Driver issues can happen, sure. But OEMs don't slap together parts from NewEgg, install the OS, and call it a day. They source components from specific peripheral makers and install the drivers that they get directly from that supplier. Drivers for some devices, like for display adapters, are even specially designed for the OEM. The installers for some of these drivers do hardware checks to prevent installation on another OEM's hardware. Do you honestly think that OEMs go through that level of effort to get specific drivers for their hardware and then do no testing of those drivers? Seriously?
You're taking this as opportunity to rant about Windows 8, but what you're really really complaining about is that the stock driver that comes with Windows 8 doesn't work with the specific peripheral on your computer. Who's fault is that? Is Microsoft responsible for making sure that the latest drivers for every known peripheral on the planet be part of the Windows 8 installer? Of course not. If you're going to do any complaining, complain to the peripheral maker for not submitting the latest drivers for their 2, 3, 5, 6 year old peripherals for WHQL testing.
I take responsibility for installing Windows 8 on 6-year old hardware, and that's why I look for hacked video drivers myself instead of b1tching to Microsoft about it. I know it's not Microsoft's responsibility and I know nVidia will NEVER update the drivers for video card older than a couple of years.
If you want the Apple OOBE, go buy yourself a MacBook Pro and be done with it. Or go buy one that was designed for Windows 8 from Dell, HP, ASUS, or Lenovo like Grandma will.
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PaoloM
Hypermediocrity
39 minutes ago, DeathByVisualStudio wrote
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I understand what cbae is saying but I disagree. Driver issues can happen for any OEM especially if they use common parts or if the driver is Microsoft provided or some related OS flaw. OEM crapware only further adds to screwy acting systems. Add these two together on a new PC and Grandma will have a better experience on a new iPad or MacBook.
{citation needed}
As a powerful counterpoint, I'll present my anectodal experience of setting up Windows 8 on my ultrabook (November 2011) and my desktop (frankenbuild with a Core2 Duo E6600) with exactly zero issues.
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DeathByVisualStudio
If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
@cbae: Like I said it smells a lot like Vista... OEMs with all of their tested, certified drivers didn't produce Vista era PCs that were blue-screenless. I had both an brand new HP and Gateway PC -- both shipped with Vista -- during that timeframe that both required driver updates before they were stable under Vista. I remember thinking "How the h3ll could they ship PCs that were defective right OOB like this?". Being that it wasn't brand centric it was easy to blame Microsoft like so many did (right, wrong, or indifferent) as so many did back then.
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2 minutes ago, DeathByVisualStudio wrote
@cbae: Like I said it smells a lot like Vista... OEMs with all of their tested, certified drivers didn't produce Vista era PCs that were blue-screenless. I had both an brand new HP and Gateway PC -- both shipped with Vista -- during that timeframe that both required driver updates before they were stable under Vista. I remember thinking "How the h3ll could they ship PCs that were defective right OOB like this?". Being that it wasn't brand centric it was easy to blame Microsoft like so many did (right, wrong, or indifferent) as so many did back then.
You're installing Windows 8 on a machine that didn't ship with Windows 8 and based on your anecdotal experience assume that this is going to be another Vista situation with machines that are specifically designed for Windows 8. You see no problem with that?
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