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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if this has been posted already, but...</p><p><a href="http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/firefox-os-mozilla-pictures-86274?pid=241">Firefox OS</a></p><p></p><blockquote><div class="quoteUser">Article said:</div><div class="quoteText">Mozilla reckons the OS will be lighter and faster, but also says it will be more open than the <span class="wp_keywordlink"><a title="Open Source" href="http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/tag/open-source">open source</a></span> OS,&nbsp; Android. <span class="wp_keywordlink"><a title="Google" href="http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/tag/google">Google</a></span> has shown some hesitation in releasing source code for recent versions of Android.</div></blockquote><p></p><p>Except, it also looks like Android with some iOS influences...</p><p><img src="http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4853/07firefoxosmobileicones.jpg" alt="" width="254" height="396">&nbsp;<img src="http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8462/02firefoxosmobilenotifi.jpg" alt="" width="257" height="393"></p><p>The interesting bit is that all the apps are to be written in HTML5. When I first heard about the OS, I thought &quot;Yeah, right...people definitely want to develop for yet another platform. This will work, sure.&quot; But if it's all in HTML5, then maybe the barrier&nbsp;for development&nbsp;is actually lower, and that devs will get the benefit of some code/skill reuse.</p><p>Also, Mozilla doesn't really need to promote its own products like Google, which may mean less restrictions for carriers and smartphone manufacturers. They would be able to morph it to their needs.</p><p>Maybe the OS might gain some popularity?</p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:53:36 GMT</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Competing Android heads on? I think that's very brave and bold.</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:08:38 GMT</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="/Forums/Coffeehouse/Yet-another-smartphone-OS#cbb0723b2ae05498aa8f5a0930126dffc">MasterPie</a>: It's definitely got some strong metro influence there too. I wonder how long it will take for all the the people who were hating on Microsoft about a platform specific HTML5 API to start drooling over&nbsp;this platform specific HTML5 API.</p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Mozilla reckons the OS will be lighter and faster&quot;</p><p>So not like firefox then?</p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I also wonder from a business/marketing/cognitive psychology&nbsp;perspective...</p><p>in the current model, you have 3 major data points (WP, iPhone, Android) with certain groups of people of varying sizes&nbsp;attracted to each point. Now, when you add a fourth point that is similar to one of the existing points (doesn't matter how technically different, but conceptually), how does that effect the model now? Would there be a split effect, as in the existing groups going to Android split slightly between it and FFOS, and would this split weaken that side of the model and strengthen the iPhone/WP side? Or would it increase attraction to that side altogether?</p><p>(in case you're wondering, I'm imagining 3-4 n-dimensional&nbsp;equidistant points in space)</p><p>Like, maybe this could actually be good for WP because it casts some uncertainty and instability on the FFOS/Android side.</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:21:05 GMT</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>There's one another &quot;new&quot; platform MeeGo from company named Jolla (ex-Nokia developers).</p><p>Jolla is going to use&nbsp;<a href="http://merproject.org/">Mer</a> based MeeGo. They are going to publish two MeeGo-phones this year.</p><p><a href="http://twitter.com/JollaMobile">http://twitter.com/JollaMobile</a></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla</a></p><p><a href="http://androidistica.blogspot.fi/2012/07/jolla-ltd-and-dphone-sign-product-sales.html">http://androidistica.blogspot.fi/2012/07/jolla-ltd-and-dphone-sign-product-sales.html</a></p><hr><p>Yet another is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen">Tizen</a></p><p><a href="http://tizencommunity.org/">http://tizencommunity.org/</a></p><hr><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I find all these new platforms interesting. I definitely would like to have a new N900 kind of phone. By far the best phone I have used so far.</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:56:14 GMT</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><ul><li>WebOS </li><li>Tizen </li><li>Jolla </li><li>FireFox OS </li></ul><p>&nbsp;</p></p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:16:27 GMT</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Didn't Palm try this with WebOS already? The latter is open sourced now so why not just use it as a base? Is it poorly written? Bad end-user experience? Poor marketing? Not inverted here? HTML5 not cut out to build an OS around?</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:25:16 GMT</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><div class="quoteText"><p></p><p><a class="permalink" title="Post Permalink" href="/Forums/Coffeehouse/Yet-another-smartphone-OS/bb0723b2ae05498aa8f5a0930126dffc">1 hour&nbsp;ago</a>, <a href="/Niners/MasterPie">MasterPie</a> wrote</p><p>*snip*</p><p>Also, Mozilla doesn't really need to promote its own products like Google, which may mean <strong>less restrictions for carriers</strong> and smartphone manufacturers.</p><p>*snip*</p></div></blockquote><p></p><p>It's funny that you should say that since the carriers themselves are responsible for most of the restrictions placed on the end-user.</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:25:48 GMT</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><div class="quoteText"><p></p><p><a class="permalink" title="Post Permalink" href="/Forums/Coffeehouse/Yet-another-smartphone-OS/2092aa71ad964b8191baa093013da1e2">25 minutes&nbsp;ago</a>, <a href="/Niners/cbae">cbae</a> wrote</p><ul><li>WebOS </li><li>Tizen </li><li>Jolla </li><li>FireFox OS </li></ul><p>&nbsp;</p><p></p></div></blockquote><p></p><p>There was a rumor somewhere that Google would retire Android in favor of Chrome OS on smartphones to better own the experience.</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:46:43 GMT</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see an open source, C#/Mono based mobile OS.</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:32:59 GMT</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Bass</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><div class="quoteText"><p></p><p><a class="permalink" title="Post Permalink" href="/Forums/Coffeehouse/Yet-another-smartphone-OS/12f1c730916a4d839c32a0930152a69e">1 minute&nbsp;ago</a>, <a href="/Niners/Bass">Bass</a> wrote</p><p>I would like to see an open source, C#/Mono based mobile OS.</p><p></p></div></blockquote><p></p><p>Didn't Xamarin pretty much do that already with <a href="http://blog.xamarin.com/2012/05/01/android-in-c-sharp/">XobotOS</a>? If my only Android device wasn't such an old POS, I'd probably try installing this on it.</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:40:27 GMT</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Firefox OS Desktop builds are now available (Linux,&nbsp;<span>Windows, Mac)</span></p><p><a href="http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Mozilla-publishes-first-Firefox-OS-nightly-builds-1648501.html">Mozilla publishes first Firefox OS nightly builds</a></p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:50:46 GMT</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Erisan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I really don't see what Mozilla gets out of this. They will not make a dent in a market dominated by cheap Android phones.</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:04:17 GMT</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="/Forums/Coffeehouse/Yet-another-smartphone-OS#c6b065edf0f3e49a4885ba09400f85f81">spivonious</a>: These days it seems like there's always room to push the bar lower.</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:18:34 GMT</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="/Forums/Coffeehouse/Yet-another-smartphone-OS#c6b065edf0f3e49a4885ba09400f85f81">spivonious</a>: my bet is &quot;relevance&quot;: they were the only major browser vendor out there without a smartphone for which theirs was the default and only choice. Which isn't the reason why the others are making smartphones, but then everybody seems to be fighting a different war...</p><p>I won't hold my breath for the glorious fates of the Firefox OS: unless they offer something that simply blows the competitors away, they'll have to face the same difficulties that WP7 faced (late to the party, no apps) except that it's now a lot later in the game and, of course, Mozilla doesn't have the kind of cash Microsoft has.</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:20:01 GMT</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Ink</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="/Forums/Coffeehouse/Yet-another-smartphone-OS#cddff39ba25c644e28706a094010d2bc9">Blue Ink</a>:True, Firefox has been losing marketshare to Chrome for a while now. But from the screenshots posted, it seems like yet another iPhone ripoff, which Google has already made available for free with a large selection of devices to choose from and a well-stocked app store. If this Firefox OS ever gets to market, it will die a quick death.</p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><div class="quoteText"><p></p><p><a class="permalink" title="Post Permalink" href="/Forums/Coffeehouse/Yet-another-smartphone-OS/12f1c730916a4d839c32a0930152a69e">20 hours&nbsp;ago</a>, <a href="/Niners/Bass">Bass</a> wrote</p><p>I would like to see an open source, C#/Mono based mobile OS.</p><p></p></div></blockquote><p></p><p>I would like to see a smartphone OS UI design that does not look anything like iPhone/Android. We have WP (and maybe Palm Pre?)&nbsp;and that's it.</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:46:16 GMT</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>System.UnauthorizedException: selected Species does not have access to target resource &#39;name&#39;.</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="/Forums/Coffeehouse/Yet-another-smartphone-OS#c965f521bb17745879a2aa0940118182a">spivonious</a>:I wouldn't bet on their instant death either: if the phones aren't&nbsp;complete junk they'll find their own supporters. Firefox is a recognizable brand, so it might be tempting for some OEM to try and differentiate. It remains to be seen if and how this can affect Google.</p><p>More specifically, I always thought about Google as the sugar daddy of OSS: creepy beyond belief, but too rich to send packing. This might indicate that something is changing, or at least that Mozilla wants that to change. I have a hunch the IP battlefield is going to become weird...</p><p>Interesting times ahead.</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:56:33 GMT</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Ink</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The original iPhone didn't have an app store and there weren't going to be native apps. It was all going to be HTML5 apps. Everyone bitched. Mozilla can keep their one size fits all lowest common denominator app approach where everything looks like crap. Screw HTML5 apps.</p><p>On a side note, apps that have their names cut off on the home screen with &quot;...&quot; added makes that platform look like amateur crap. &quot;App Mar...&quot; and &quot;Cut the...&quot; &nbsp;&lt;-- really?</p><p>It's a shame that the iTunes store is exactly the same with titles of apps, music, and videos.</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 02:04:08 GMT</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Matthews</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="/Forums/Coffeehouse/Yet-another-smartphone-OS#c12f1c730916a4d839c32a0930152a69e">Bass</a>:</p><blockquote><div class="quoteText"><p></p><p><a class="permalink" title="Post Permalink" href="/Forums/Coffeehouse/Yet-another-smartphone-OS/12f1c730916a4d839c32a0930152a69e">1 day&nbsp;ago</a>, <a href="/Niners/Bass">Bass</a> wrote</p><p>I would like to see an open source, C#/Mono based mobile OS.</p><p></p></div></blockquote>based? assuming &quot;written in&quot;, what's wrong with being done with the&nbsp;appropriate&nbsp;tool for the job, and managed wrappers exposed for development?<p></p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 08:13:06 GMT</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Ion Todirel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><div class="quoteText"><p></p><p><a class="permalink" title="Post Permalink" href="/Forums/Coffeehouse/Yet-another-smartphone-OS/12f1c730916a4d839c32a0930152a69e">1 day&nbsp;ago</a>, <a href="/Niners/Bass">Bass</a> wrote</p><p>I would like to see an open source, C#/Mono based mobile OS.</p><p></p></div></blockquote><p></p><p>It's not really possible to make a really open-source mobile OS, because of legal constraints regarding the radio stack - specifically that base-band users (i.e. carriers) need to demonstrate that their users cannot be broadcasting traffic on someone else's part of the spectrum - which is pretty hard to do if you're going to be shipping the device with open-source drivers for a general purpose high-energy radio transmitter (which is the antenna of the phone).</p><p>That's why even Android - the open-sourcest of them all - still keeps the radio stack as Google-only closed source.</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 08:53:07 GMT</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Recent news about Jolla:</p><p><a href="http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/364288/20120718/jolla-mobile-launch-app-store-angry-birds.htm">Jolla Mobile to Launch App Store for MeeGo Software<br></a><a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2012/07/21/finlands-jolla-will-be-the-ferrari-of-the-smartphone-world/">Finland's Jolla Will Be The Ferrari Of The Smartphone World</a></p><p>I just tried Firefox OS in Linux virtual environment and I have to say it was better than I expected. They still have lots of work to do but overall it looked quite nice.</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:20:28 GMT</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Erisan</dc:creator>
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