@CbrAInK:I agree, just as i was drifting away from the microsoft stack i got suckered back in by F# and the whole functional thing. I've watched most of the vids now. All great stuff. I cant believe I missed it first time round. We need more of those guys, nevermind your c++ and your html5 I forgot how intresting programming can be and thanks to those guys i'm back to what i onced loved doing.