Riiiiight, because if we use a third party control and there are some bugs on the site we shouldn't be developers.turrican said:HumanCompiler said:*snip*
I couldn't disagree with you more. A Tech forum which just works in two browsers... see, this is what I mean by validating a site. IF you had validated it from the start, you wouldn't need to be stuck in this situation right now where the site breaks. Opera DOES the ACID test. It IS a fully functional browser. But if you write a broken website, ofcourse it'll have issues when you aren't following the standards.
Sure sure, IE/FF are "defacto" standards... but nevertheless.
It took me two weeks to get my site ( a forum ) validated. Me, one person, all alone with a full day job. I heard people talk about how complicated this site is to make it validated... come'on man... for one, we are developers. Secondly, I still don't think it would be that hard to make this thing to validate. It has a top logo, some menus, some half-baked forum without any real functionality but to basically post some text...
...I still think it's doable.
Also, I think using 3rd party editors like this is just bad.
But maybe I get this all wrong, I mean... I have the impression that Microsoft has a team working just on C9 website. If that's the case then the site is badly made and heads should roll. But if C9 is just a small part of the team's job, then I can undrestand you not putting enough effort and time to making it actually. It would all make sense then since it's just a side project thingy. As your side project, I would actually even get annoyed by my own posts since it isn't your main job or anything. So I should be ashamed bitching.
But as a main project of a team's job? if that's the case, someone should take your developer badges away! Because the team isn't doing their job right.
Who told you it would be hard to make the site validate? Did you not see some of the posts in other feedback threads about validateion? It's really not very far from validating.
We focus on IE and FF because that is around 90% of what people view our sites in. Going by the numbers, we should actually be spending more time fixing CSS issues for IE 6 than we should Opera or Safari. Last numbers I saw, Opera was just above 2% of our site views, Safari was around 3% or 4% and IE 6 was more than that but I don't remember the number offhand.
Take a step back for a minute and look at this from a business angle and not the developer side of it. We have to do what's right for our business and that means properly prioritizing what needs done. While I would love to make sure we always validated and always worked for all browsers, that would end up taking a lot of maintenance time. We run all the sites listed in the footer (not just Channel 9) and we're one of the smallest teams you'll find at Microsoft. We're doing really well, IMHO. We're a lot closer to a web 2.0 startup than anything else inside of Microsoft.
If you'd like to know more about our team and what we do, be sure to watch our show. We've been pretty busy lately and haven't done a show in a while, but next week Charles is going to be doing a Going Deep video with us and our code so look for that.
We appreciate feedback but you're not helping yourself in convincing us that we need to be doing something differently or working on a feature you're suggesting.