VS2005 BAD mood Thread

Hi There,
so now you have done a few projects or solutions with VS2005, what do you think?

Here is what I think

despite the power in the .net framework 2.0, i think that this product is very Buggy, And its IDE, although beautiful and all, its unresponsive, and eats too much processor time, and slows down your pc. The VB6 IDE was waaaaaaaaay better in terms of responsive behavior, and being able to switch between two instances of the IDE. In the VS2005 It takes too mutch time and effort by the PC CPU to repaint controls at design time, and it just slows your pc down to a point where you cant really do anything productive.

The VB Compiler is buggy, and causes many many many, crashes. I dont even think this is a RTM quailty compiler, I think its a Beta 3 compiler or something. How could the DEV team at Microsoft release a buggy compiler like that?

I dont feel as productive as I was when i started Programming in VB6, because of the low responsiveness of the VS2005.

 

The Only Thing that was good in the 2005 series, was the SQL Server 2005. I think its good and has few bugs if any.

 

So Microsoft had more time to work on VS2005, with all the delays and stuff. But they produced a low quailty Developer tool, interms of being able to work with and being able to be productive in its environment. The .net framework might be okay, but the IDE of the VS2005 Just sucks big time for me.

So I wounder if Orcas will be MORE responsive, and has more power to it. I mean a tool is as usefull as your ability as developer to work with it and to cut short your development time for a given solution. VS2005, with all the buggy VB Compiler and the Buggy IDE, you sometimes wounder if a given project your working on, will end or will just be corrupted with all the "Background" work that is consuming 99% of the CPU time, in VS2005

Strange. I have done many projects, in VB, C# and C++, using .Net, .Net CF and native code, and have not had any serious issues, besides the find and replace regex stuff, that is.

So far I've had really good luck with VS 2005.  My only gripe is that there's no intellisenses or whatever in skin files.  It really makes working with themes and skins and such a whole lot more work.

Microsoft has published a hotfix for the Visual Basic 2005 Compiler to correct an obscure issue that was observed by members of the community. The symptoms vary, but the crash can be most easily identified by the error string, Visual Basic compiler is unable to recover from the following error: "System Error &H8013141e& Save your work and restart Visual Studio." It generally occurs shortly after you quit debugging can appear during editing, in the designer, or even if you go away for lunch and come back to your machine. Other error strings may be a symptom of the same issue.

To obtain the fix: 
   - Call the Microsoft Developer Support Line ((800) 936-5800) 
   - Request that the technical router transfer you to Dev Support  Visual Basic 
   - Refer to KB 915038

This hotfix is only available via Microsoft Support.

A big thanks goes out to the community for identifying this issue, being incredibly cooperative in helping us nail it down, and validating the fix.  We would not have been able to address this issue if it weren't for community involvement.

Thanks,
Amanda Silver

Program Manager
Visual Basic

I installed a third party extension (a mistake I have no intention of repeating) and it buggered the ToolStrip layout etc... Reinstalling the product did nothing, reverting to the original settings did nothing - so now I have to format the machine (because I'm lazy, and can't be bothered trying to hack it fixed), which I'm not prepared to do just yet as it is my Laptop and therefore my main computer for everything!

Hmmmm i don't really have much issues with VS2005, i think my main problems lie with ASP.NET, at times it is quite buggy still, but still a lot improved form 2003.

For example i still haven't come to terms with why exactly is it that WebUserControls are not enlisted in intellisense, even worse, the background compiler thinks it doesn't exist and underlines it, even thought it compiles fine.

AmandaS [MSFT] wrote:

Microsoft has published a hotfix for the Visual Basic 2005 Compiler to correct an obscure issue that was observed by members of the community. The symptoms vary, but the crash can be most easily identified by the error string, Visual Basic compiler is unable to recover from the following error: "System Error &H8013141e& Save your work and restart Visual Studio." It generally occurs shortly after you quit debugging can appear during editing, in the designer, or even if you go away for lunch and come back to your machine. Other error strings may be a symptom of the same issue.

To obtain the fix: 
   - Call the Microsoft Developer Support Line ((800) 936-5800) 
   - Request that the technical router transfer you to Dev Support  Visual Basic 
   - Refer to KB 915038

This hotfix is only available via Microsoft Support.

A big thanks goes out to the community for identifying this issue, being incredibly cooperative in helping us nail it down, and validating the fix.  We would not have been able to address this issue if it weren't for community involvement.

Thanks,
Amanda Silver

Program Manager
Visual Basic

That is the very same crash i was experiancing. And i actually thought that it has something to do with a corrupted installation of VS2005, so i was constantly repairing and reinstalling Visual Studio.

I Got the Hot Fix, you outline, and so far things are better in terms of crashes. The VB Compiler is not crashing as frequently as before. only one crash happened after applying HotFix KB915038, and that has to do with the IDE and the "Background" activity the compiler is doing while i am writing code. So far it sent 3 Crash Reports to Microsoft.

So Thanks for making my life a little better Amanda, that particular crash gave me nightmares 

But on a side note, Is there a way to make the IDE more responsive and has less activity? I feel like working on a nuclear reactor  that might just explode in my face with this IDE. And what about the 99% CPU time that VS2005 is using even when i am just drinking tea, its working.

Dont get me wrong, I love the IDE looks, but not preformance. I would love to have a MORE reponsive and more stable IDE, than a beautiful looking one. And if we can get the two things in, beauty and Responsive behavior and stability , that would just be Perfect.

I find it that most Bugs that happen in VS2005, are observed when you are working with big solution , that has more than one type of projects, VB, C#, etc.., I dont know why that is but its true.

My 2 cents

My experiences of VS2005 have been pretty positive.  Yes, I've been hit by the background compiler bug, and the slowness of it (although I bought another gig of RAM to get around the speed issues, worked great, it was only a few quid anyway).

In my mind, despite these issues, my productivity has gone up a lot using it.  Generics!  Better databinding, the new datagrid, superior XML support.  And it's just so sexy!

I was one of the ones on here in October giving Microsoft the whole JUST GIMMIE GIMMIE GIMMIE!! And they did, and I'd much rather have it in the state it was released in than wait until say, now, just to get it.

Basically it's like having a Ferrari that stalls on you every few hundred miles.  Yes it's stalled, but GEEZ, YOU HAVE A FERRARI.

lethalbyte wrote:

My experiences of VS2005 have been pretty positive.  Yes, I've been hit by the background compiler bug, and the slowness of it (although I bought another gig of RAM to get around the speed issues, worked great, it was only a few quid anyway).

In my mind, despite these issues, my productivity has gone up a lot using it.  Generics!  Better databinding, the new datagrid, superior XML support.  And it's just so sexy!

I was one of the ones on here in October giving Microsoft the whole JUST GIMMIE GIMMIE GIMMIE!! And they did, and I'd much rather have it in the state it was released in than wait until say, now, just to get it.

Basically it's like having a Ferrari that stalls on you every few hundred miles.  Yes it's stalled, but GEEZ, YOU HAVE A FERRARI.

Again, Give me somthing that performs, rather than just beign pretty! I mean we are not in a fashion show here. We are simple developers who need to finish their projects in time. Having a "Sexy" tool is useless if it does not performs and cuts your time of developement short!

Are there any New HotFixes since that one was released?

Any updates to Visual Studio 2005?

Hi,

We are developing VB.NET/ASP.NET applications in VS2005. The IDE is extremely slow despite installing VS2005 in a fairly fast PC - 2.8GHz 1GB RAM, WinXP Pro with SP2.

Some of the issues we encounter are:
1) Crashing. These have been reported by many. During code editing and debugging, the IDE has crashed on us numerous times.

2) Typing code in the IDE is very slow. At times, as I type in the IDE, the letters appear one character at a time and it takes about 2 seconds for each character to appear!

3) The auto hide feature of the tabs (solution tab, tools tab etc) is very slow. Instead of a swift hide animation, it takes like 5 seconds for it to crawl back to the side. Another weird bug is this:
I have my Tools tab autohidden on the left edge, and my solutions tab showing. After I double click a file to open it, the Tools tab appear for no reason (my mouse is no where near it). And then i won't hide back. I have to pin down and unpin it again to autohide it.

4) CPU is pegged at 100%. During code editing, debugging, opening of a page, hidding of tab. Very CPU intensive.

5) Open of a page (aspx, vb etc) is very slow.

In summary, it can take anywhere from 5
~10 seconds to do a task (typing, open files etc). All these small delays adds up, and it seriously impedes development. We seriously need a patch to get things running smooth soon. We are spending too much time just waiting for VS2005 to respond to our actions.

Shark_M, I know exactly what you mean, I've seen a lot of these speed issues too (don't get me started on the length of time it can take the pending check-ins window to appear). Don't get me wrong though I love DevStudio 2005, the sheer amount of help it gives the coder makes it the best IDE I've ever used in terms of features; however I'm constantly amazed at the slowness of it. I would have bet a large amount of money that MS would have really nailed this product by now for the simply fact that surely a lot of MS developers themselves use the prodcut - they are their own customers and it'd just be making their own lives easier. I'd be interested in hearing from and MS dev about the spec of the machines that they develop on, I mean it may just be a memory issue or something like that, my company run a near identical setup to Shark_M.