Channel 9 Forums - Tech Off - NetTiers, Subsonic, DLINQ, CSLA, NHibernate etc etc ... which one? http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 Forums - Tech Off - NetTiers, Subsonic, DLINQ, CSLA, NHibernate etc etc ... which one? http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums en Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:25:38 GMT Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:25:38 GMT Rev9 15 -15 -1 Tech Off - NetTiers, Subsonic, DLINQ, CSLA, NHibernate etc etc ... which one? I'm commencing a fairly hefty project which requires an ORM solution.

Previously I've developed a rather hefty CSLA.net type framework which requires a lot of finger bashing to get useful results.  Unfortunately it's slow and I can't be arsed to maintain it any more.  I've toyed with SubSonic but didn't find it particularly stable or easy to deploy and Iv'e used NetTiers extensively but it's a bit heavy.

Anyone got any opinions on a half decent ORM which actually works properly, is rock solid stable, doesn't cost anything and requires as little coding as possible.  The only key features required are optimistic concurrency built in, strongly typed collections, transaction support, half decent documentation, a custom query interface that doesn't suck and support for SQL Server only.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/252811#252811 Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:14:18 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/252811#252811 christhetechie 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/christhetechie/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - NetTiers, Subsonic, DLINQ, CSLA, NHibernate etc etc ... which one? Mine (Opf3) costs a little bit, but is easy to use and very fast.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/4d19247a24ec458aaf089dea01537cd9#4d19247a24ec458aaf089dea01537cd9 Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:24:56 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/4d19247a24ec458aaf089dea01537cd9#4d19247a24ec458aaf089dea01537cd9 Christian Liensberger 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/littleguru/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - NetTiers, Subsonic, DLINQ, CSLA, NHibernate etc etc ... which one? I've had luck using Gentle.NET with MyGeneration.  It hits all of your requirements and is free.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/9074f64f74284ba29b389dea01537d18#9074f64f74284ba29b389dea01537d18 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 15:22:41 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/9074f64f74284ba29b389dea01537d18#9074f64f74284ba29b389dea01537d18 rcbaxter 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/rcbaxter/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - NetTiers, Subsonic, DLINQ, CSLA, NHibernate etc etc ... which one?
littleguru wrote:
Mine (Opf3) costs a little bit, but is easy to use and very fast.


+1 here, I like it.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/e72a14a93291449d82179dea01537d3f#e72a14a93291449d82179dea01537d3f Sat, 03 Mar 2007 21:55:03 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/e72a14a93291449d82179dea01537d3f#e72a14a93291449d82179dea01537d3f Rossj 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Rossj/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - NetTiers, Subsonic, DLINQ, CSLA, NHibernate etc etc ... which one?
Rossj wrote:

littleguru wrote: Mine (Opf3) costs a little bit, but is easy to use and very fast.


+1 here, I like it.


Thanks!

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/5acf28a82e2e4b02aa039dea01537d6c#5acf28a82e2e4b02aa039dea01537d6c Sat, 03 Mar 2007 22:18:45 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/5acf28a82e2e4b02aa039dea01537d6c#5acf28a82e2e4b02aa039dea01537d6c Christian Liensberger 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/littleguru/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - NetTiers, Subsonic, DLINQ, CSLA, NHibernate etc etc ... which one? I've only started using Subsonic but it seems to be very good.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/aa645efb5168470e8bde9dea01537d93#aa645efb5168470e8bde9dea01537d93 Sun, 04 Mar 2007 14:50:32 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/aa645efb5168470e8bde9dea01537d93#aa645efb5168470e8bde9dea01537d93 Jonathan Merriweather 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Cyonix/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - NetTiers, Subsonic, DLINQ, CSLA, NHibernate etc etc ... which one? Hi christhetechie:

It's been a couple of months since your post of ORM.  Which one did you go with and would you care to share any feedback?

I'm in a similar situation and value your opinion.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/c23c88b29d014930899e9dea01537dd2#c23c88b29d014930899e9dea01537dd2 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:51:33 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/c23c88b29d014930899e9dea01537dd2#c23c88b29d014930899e9dea01537dd2 fletcherdunton 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/fletcherdunton/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - NetTiers, Subsonic, DLINQ, CSLA, NHibernate etc etc ... which one? You're the first person that I have heard of with problems with SubSonic. SubSonic 2.0.1 is a really great tool. What was your configuration like? Did you use the build provider or a class library?

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/95251c8e395743fa9cb19dea01537df8#95251c8e395743fa9cb19dea01537df8 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:54:35 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/95251c8e395743fa9cb19dea01537df8#95251c8e395743fa9cb19dea01537df8 z2bass 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/z2bass/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - NetTiers, Subsonic, DLINQ, CSLA, NHibernate etc etc ... which one? I recently heard of using Subsonic as the DAL under CSLA.net--sounds like the best of both worlds!

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/2b49590a9dcc417886689dea01537e37#2b49590a9dcc417886689dea01537e37 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:59:56 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/2b49590a9dcc417886689dea01537e37#2b49590a9dcc417886689dea01537e37 bpmerkel 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/bpmerkel/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - NetTiers, Subsonic, DLINQ, CSLA, NHibernate etc etc ... which one? SubSonic is great!! I used it when 2.0 was released, need to look into it a bit more - maybe blog a bit about it.  It is very cool, plus it works with .Net 2.0 (Unlike Linq).

Linq is also very cool, but its still in beta and requires .net 3.5 so that might be a non-starter for you.  I do like it, not sure if I would pick Linq to SQL over SubSonic.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/db6b709db244485e915c9dea01537e5e#db6b709db244485e915c9dea01537e5e Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:37:36 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/db6b709db244485e915c9dea01537e5e#db6b709db244485e915c9dea01537e5e ben2004uk 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/ben2004uk/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - NetTiers, Subsonic, DLINQ, CSLA, NHibernate etc etc ... which one? If you are targeting for .NET 3.5, as in, for the release version of this. I would use LINQ to SQL.. if there's one thing that other ORM's lack, and because its not really possible.. its compile time expressions against the data structures.. creating expressions in strings isn't very nice, and the opposite is trying to interact OOP objects in SQL like clauses..

I've for some reason stuck with Gentle.NET other than my own utterly simplistic ORM.. not sure why because I find Gentle.NET to have tons of glaringly obvious design flaws, and the documentation is pretty weak.. Perplexed

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/47b679a24e264ff9823f9dea01537e86#47b679a24e264ff9823f9dea01537e86 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:42:01 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/47b679a24e264ff9823f9dea01537e86#47b679a24e264ff9823f9dea01537e86 stevo_ 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/stevo_/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - NetTiers, Subsonic, DLINQ, CSLA, NHibernate etc etc ... which one? NHibernate is the one I've used most.  It takes some time to configure, but once its working the lazy loading, cascading, etc. really speed up the development process.  I highly recommend you couple it with ActiveRecord since it will handle a good deal of your fetching and saving needs without having to write extraneous mappings and such.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/db2403cefc1d46688fef9dea01537eac#db2403cefc1d46688fef9dea01537eac Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:51:46 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/db2403cefc1d46688fef9dea01537eac#db2403cefc1d46688fef9dea01537eac Soviut 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Soviut/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - NetTiers, Subsonic, DLINQ, CSLA, NHibernate etc etc ... which one? What about EntitySpaces?

I'm using the trial and so far it looks good.

Any good/bad experiences?

Ubercoder.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/c636822b6d65467898de9dea01537ed3#c636822b6d65467898de9dea01537ed3 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:15:57 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/252811-NetTiers-Subsonic-DLINQ-CSLA-NHibernate-etc-etc--which-one/c636822b6d65467898de9dea01537ed3#c636822b6d65467898de9dea01537ed3 ubercoder 15 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/ubercoder/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - NetTiers, Subsonic, DLINQ, CSLA, NHibernate etc etc ... which one? Had great success with NHibernate with Fluent NHibernate. The automapping saves tons of time.

 

Hope this helps,

Lee

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littleguru said:
Mine (Opf3) costs a little bit, but is easy to use and very fast.

Opf3 goes open source!

I started to work at Microsoft with July 2009. Due to that change in my personal life I decided to make Opf3 open source. This allows a more flexible development and I'm sure you guys will love that move! Smiley

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