Channel 9 Forums - Tech Off - Pretty boot screen...? http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 Forums - Tech Off - Pretty boot screen...? http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums en Wed, 22 May 2013 22:14:29 GMT Wed, 22 May 2013 22:14:29 GMT Rev9 14 -14 -1 Tech Off - Pretty boot screen...? What gives... why is when I installed Vista, during boot I just get a green progress bar indicating that it's loading. Isn't there suppose to be that Vista logo or something... opposed to JUST a progress bar.

If this is normal, then that sucks (not too professional) - but what could be wrong with this?Expressionless

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/254831#254831 Sat, 19 May 2007 17:02:44 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/254831#254831 javamdk 14 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/javamdk/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - Pretty boot screen...? It's intentional. Loading a bitmap to display just wastes time. The aim is to boot as fast as possible and that means no time wasted on frivolities.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/4596c7a50a0f48e8b05f9dea01588251#4596c7a50a0f48e8b05f9dea01588251 Sat, 19 May 2007 17:18:38 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/4596c7a50a0f48e8b05f9dea01588251#4596c7a50a0f48e8b05f9dea01588251 AndyC 14 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/AndyC/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - Pretty boot screen...? Okay, at least it was intentional - I must have seen the beta build with the splash screen during boot.

Thanks! Cool

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/bfc7eae0be1e43a18a3d9dea01588277#bfc7eae0be1e43a18a3d9dea01588277 Sat, 19 May 2007 17:24:14 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/bfc7eae0be1e43a18a3d9dea01588277#bfc7eae0be1e43a18a3d9dea01588277 javamdk 14 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/javamdk/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - Pretty boot screen...? I think you can still use msconfig and check the "no graphical bootscreen" checkbox. Then you get a better image, at least that's how it was during the beta.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/d102143194f944d7a7189dea0158829e#d102143194f944d7a7189dea0158829e Sat, 19 May 2007 19:19:54 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/d102143194f944d7a7189dea0158829e#d102143194f944d7a7189dea0158829e ZippyV 14 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/ZippyV/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - Pretty boot screen...?
AndyC wrote:
It's intentional. Loading a bitmap to display just wastes time. The aim is to boot as fast as possible and that means no time wasted on frivolities.


Loading and rendering a bitmap... that would be measured in the microseconds (assuming it was already read into memory, but since it's a 16-color 640x480 image, that shouldn't take long). But the Vista "throbber bar" stays onscreen for at least a few seconds.

In fact, the Vista bootscreen looks practically identical to the XP bootscreen, I'd wager the little copyright notice at the bottom is a bitmap. In fact, I'd bet 50p the pixels are black because a bitmap says so (viz: it's loading and displaying a bitmap that's all black except for the little copyright notice).

So it isn't for "performance reasons", but just to de-emphasise the VESA-only part of the boot process, or because there was no way they could render the Vista logo in 16-colors without it looking crap. Therefore they went for the simplist thing possible.

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W3bbo wrote:

So it isn't for "performance reasons", but just to de-emphasise the VESA-only part of the boot process, or because there was no way they could render the Vista logo in 16-colors without it looking crap. Therefore they went for the simplist thing possible.


Install XP prior to SP2. Notice how it displays a different bitmap for Home and Pro versions. After SP2, it's always the same bitmap. The cited reasons (from various sources) were that time spent just deciding which bitmap to display was wasted effort, especially given how short a time it ultimately ends up being shown for. Vista has essentially just taken this to the next logical conclusion.

When it comes to startup times, every millisecond counts.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/be4d4089c84f4d3785399dea015882ef#be4d4089c84f4d3785399dea015882ef Sat, 19 May 2007 22:11:43 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/be4d4089c84f4d3785399dea015882ef#be4d4089c84f4d3785399dea015882ef AndyC 14 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/AndyC/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - Pretty boot screen...? Isn't there usually an animation featuring the Vista "pearl" after the bootscreen/progress bar animation, accompanied with the "Vista Sound?"

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/1bc3220551d14812bb009dea01588316#1bc3220551d14812bb009dea01588316 Sun, 20 May 2007 01:57:44 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/1bc3220551d14812bb009dea01588316#1bc3220551d14812bb009dea01588316 Piroko 14 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Piroko/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - Pretty boot screen...? It's a good thing they're not wasting time on the startup bitmap and spending it on more important things like the Vista start sound. If they're seriously removing it for performance reasons, I think they need to take a look at Amdahl's law.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/43da0628b3b54a5c983d9dea0158833c#43da0628b3b54a5c983d9dea0158833c Sun, 20 May 2007 05:54:44 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/43da0628b3b54a5c983d9dea0158833c#43da0628b3b54a5c983d9dea0158833c TimP 14 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/TimP/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - Pretty boot screen...?
Piroko wrote:
Isn't there usually an animation featuring the Vista "pearl" after the bootscreen/progress bar animation, accompanied with the "Vista Sound?"

Which occurs at the perceived point of the boot completing and it's all about perception.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/833fb3dcd8c44be798819dea01588363#833fb3dcd8c44be798819dea01588363 Sun, 20 May 2007 08:14:59 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/833fb3dcd8c44be798819dea01588363#833fb3dcd8c44be798819dea01588363 AndyC 14 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/AndyC/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - Pretty boot screen...? I think the problem is the boot environment. Its not that it would slow performance (much) or take useless development time.

As soon as EFI (UEFI?) takes off, fast boot process with lots of nice abstraction from the hardware occurs meaning then Microsoft will most likely give their next Windows a quick and fancy looking loading screen.

I quite like the OS X one of just the spinning jobbie, infact- OS X boot process, because it can use EFI in its primative hardware eco system is one of the really nice things about OS X that compared to even Vista, makes Windows still look like a 10 year old computer.

Not to say Microsoft doesn't have some innovation in their boot process in Vista, but its innovation built on a construct thats far at its limits for what modern day computing demands.

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stevo_ wrote:
As soon as EFI (UEFI?) takes off, fast boot process with lots of nice abstraction from the hardware occurs meaning then Microsoft will most likely give their next Windows a quick and fancy looking loading screen.


Not necessarily. This is about services provided by the video hardware.

Vista can't jump to 1280x1024 immediately when it boots because there's no guarantee the hardware supports that mode (since it hasn't loaded any drivers), so it goes to 640x480x16 which is the lowest-common-denominator display mode supported by all VESA-compliant display adapters.

The problem being this standard is over 10 years old, you'd think by now they'd have mandated a minimum of 800x600x24-bit?

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/4d34273bae664ce8ae269dea015883b4#4d34273bae664ce8ae269dea015883b4 Sun, 20 May 2007 10:18:29 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/4d34273bae664ce8ae269dea015883b4#4d34273bae664ce8ae269dea015883b4 W3bbo 14 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/W3bbo/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - Pretty boot screen...? I think you miss the point, Windows currently does this because it has no way of finding out. EFI can find out what resolutions are supported.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/962ef4d9317741b1b2bc9dea015883da#962ef4d9317741b1b2bc9dea015883da Sun, 20 May 2007 11:56:03 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/962ef4d9317741b1b2bc9dea015883da#962ef4d9317741b1b2bc9dea015883da stevo_ 14 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/stevo_/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - Pretty boot screen...? I love the black booting screen! It's great to have no logo at all. This thing should pass by as fast as possible and load into the full OS. The XP logo was just a waste of time!

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/70458101af8c44839dbc9dea01588400#70458101af8c44839dbc9dea01588400 Sun, 20 May 2007 12:30:00 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/254831-Pretty-boot-screen/70458101af8c44839dbc9dea01588400#70458101af8c44839dbc9dea01588400 Christian Liensberger 14 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/littleguru/Discussions/RSS Tech Off - Pretty boot screen...?
stevo_ wrote:
I think you miss the point, Windows currently does this because it has no way of finding out. EFI can find out what resolutions are supported.


But the video-card has to support EFI too.

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