yea the string constructions at the end were really just an experiment out of frustration HA! I do have a question also. You said "on each loop add the current roll to the end of the string, and then tack the total on after the loop exits" This is exactly what im trying to figure out how to do. Could you make a suggestion in code? I am sort of novice at programming, actualy somewhere between beginner and novice so I know what I want to do which is exactly what you said but, dont know how to express it in code. I guess my problem is I dont know enough about strings. Ill read up on them while I wait for your response. Thanks. Look forward to more replys.