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Bass Bass Knows the way the wind is flowing.
  • Bill Gates: We will continue to support Chinese censorship

    Bas said:
    Bass said:
    *snip*

    Last I heard it was far from a done deal, they were still censoring their results, they were planning to negotiate with the chinese government, and they were denying their earlier 'plans' to leave China.  That was two weeks ago though, so maybe things have changed, but I'd like to see a source for that. Just to be sure given your tendency to, you know, make stuff up.

    The company has said it is no longer willing to filter content on its Chinese language google.cn engine, and will try to negotiate a legal unfiltered search engine, or exit the market.

     

    Per your linked article you seem to have not read. Thank you for the source, btw. Smiley

  • Bill Gates: We will continue to support Chinese censorship

    Bas said:
    Dr Herbie said:
    *snip*

    I don't buy the "we're forced to do this"/"We have to honor the laws of the country regardless of how horrible they are" defenses. I do know, however, that the problem of wether it is better to stay in there and at least try to provide them with some information or wether it's better to make a stand and pull out of the country entirely is a complex and multilayered one that has been without precedent, and requires intimate knowledge of Chinese culture, law, and politics, and as such won't be solved by a bunch of armchair experts on an internet forum.

     

    I think it's kind of repulsive though, to present musings of a possible intention to pull out in a stray blog post as a done deal in order to deify one technology company and/or villify another. Especially since Google already having stated that they will 'continue to support Chinese censorship', as Bass would put it.

    It's already a done deal. Google is no longer censoring their search engine in China, and refuses to corporate with the PRC on censorship.  If the PRC blocks Google, Google will pull out of China and basically lay off all their Chinese employees.

  • Bill Gates: We will continue to support Chinese censorship

    qvp said:
    Bass said:
    *snip*

    It's up to the people of China to see that their 'freedoms' are upheld, not a business that isn't even based there. Just because a country runs things differently then your own doesn't make them wrong... just different.

    Sorry, but I don't buy that. Both corporations and individuals are internationally accountable for their role in human rights violations, no matter where in the world or under what law they occur. See a certain antisemitic regime that existed in the 1930-1940s for examples of other "law-abiding" corporations.

  • Bill Gates: We will continue to support Chinese censorship

    magicalclick said:

    Not that Bill cares since he is all for charity now. But, after all the law suits Bill had gone thru, I am sure he is not in the mood to fight a government that has no gauranteed freedom in their constitution. Besides, if it is not making money like Google did, MS will pull out as well. It is all about $$$ anyway. MS is staying because they think they can still make a profit on this market.

     

     

     

    Actually, the Constitution of China guarantees freedom of speech and freedom of religion to all Chinese people. The Communist Politburo just completely ignores it's existence, and runs the government like a dictatorship instead.

  • Bill Gates: We will continue to support Chinese censorship

    Bas said:

    Google isn't pulling out of China.

    Good point.

  • Bill Gates: We will continue to support Chinese censorship

    Ray7 said:

    Yes, those were his exact words!

     

    <rollseyes/>

     

    Did you see any quotes on anything I said? It isn't ment to be a direct quote, however Bill Gates did say they will continue censorship practices in China. There is nothing misleading at all, it was exactly what he said.

  • Bill Gates: We will continue to support Chinese censorship

    brian.shapiro said:

    Discussion of this has to start off with the understanding that Google didn't pull out of China because they had a moral problem with censorship, but because they had their computers hacked into. Attempts to make Google a hero are silly.

    It wasn't their computers hacked, it was computers of Chinese dissenters accessing Gmail.

  • Bill Gates: We will continue to support Chinese censorship

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/jan/25/bill-gates-web-censorship-china

     

    This is response to Google's refusal to aid in Chinese censorship.

  • !!@!THE APPLE TABLET EVENT!@!!

    RLO said:
    brian.shapiro said:
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    Originally the Origami was specified to be a device that could be sold for around $500.00.  The final product was in the $1200.00 range and didn't have enough screen real estate to be useful.  Then the netbook entered and canibalism of the UMPC market ensued.  I still have my Q1U and yes I have upgraded to 7.  It still performs horribly even with the 2gb of ram added.  I will probably slap xp tablet on it and see if the performance gains are there.

     

    Overall MS has been making slow evolutionary progress to touch UI's and can easily be seen in the office ribbon.  Unfortunately, until we have a tablet that can sense when the hand is resting on it for writing and when it's there for touch input, I am afraid we won't see the vision of the clipboard computer.

     

    Bass, I never considered the device in a 400 student scenario.  In those cases it would be a lecturer's dream come true.  Most of the time I encountered it was in scenarios of classrooms of 30.

     

    On a side note, I see that grava has made it out of CTP and is on its way to beta.  I will be excited to see what the final product will look like.  If it has blackboard conectivity, I can see educators making a bee line to scoop it up if it does have an office like ease to it.  It only took 3 years.

     

     

    You know, Microsoft makes significantly less money from netbooks then other computers. The netbook revolution started with a Linux-based OS by Asus. Microsoft needed to kill that fast, so they started offering special deals to OEMs. And they did a pretty good job pushing Linux off the desktop, but Google, Intel, and others aren't giving up this chance to unseat Windows so easily, and they don't intend to charge royalties like Microsoft does. Microsoft is going to have to keep their prices down to appease the OEMs.

     

    It's very much a race to zero and I don't think Microsoft really wants to lose something that contributes something like 30% of their revenue and even more of their profit.They can't rely on netbooks as a safe revenue source. Intel is the ones making the big bucks from that with their Atom monopoly. They can give the OS for free.

     

    Apple seems to know what they are doing. They are currently the #2 biggest tech focused company in the world in market capitalization, and #1 in total assets. Compare to 10 years ago, when it looked like they were in the toilet. They successfully carved out a niche in a world dominated by a very large company, and somehow gained explosive growth at the same time. Meanwhile, Microsoft's revenues and profits continue to decline.

  • !!@!THE APPLE TABLET EVENT!@!!

    elmer said:
    brian.shapiro said:
    *snip*

    http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=KIqtSJ1aVsmVpeqS

     

    I'm not sold on this, but I'd prefer it over the iPad.

    It's on Apple's main page now, also: http://www.apple.com/ipad/