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  • Interesting AI discussion on Slashdot

    Andor said:
    rhm said:
    *snip*

    A program can produce a program more complex than itself. It is trivial to write a program that brute force outputs every combination of assembly instruction, which will given infinite time, result in every single program that you can possibly write/run on that computer.

     

    Now validating which of those programs is correct and does what you want, results in the halting problem.

     

    And how do you quantify the complexity of a program? If the brute force assembly program can produce every other program possible, it must be the most complex program?

    I don't think it's worth making mathematical assumptions on what AI is. It's very hard to define intelligence or sentience in the first place, let alone formalize and quantify it.

     

    Notice that the statement I said doesn't even go there, the question was I think is more interesting is "can machines replace human labor", we know already for something things, this is definitely "YES!". But "can machines replace all human labor?", and if they can't, what careers of human labor can they not replace, and why?

  • .NET 4.0 essential booklist

    spivonious said:

    Right now, my plan is to read the MSDN section on the new parallel libraries.

    The task parallel library basically just takes LINQ and makes it parallel, adds parallel map function called Parallel.ForEach, as well as Parallel.For, and a thread pool / blocks implementation a la Grand Central Dispatch. It's very simple stuff.

  • .NET 4.0 essential booklist

    Don't really think I need to read a book to learn an API. MSDN or blogs should be fine.

     

    This is on my todo list (someday?), I don't know how relevant it is to .NET though:

     

    "Hacking, the Art of Exploitation" by Jon Erickson

    http://www.amazon.com/Hacking-Art-Exploitation-Jon-Erickson/dp/1593271441/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265912489&sr=8-2

     

    "Free Culture" by Lawrence Lessig

    http://www.amazon.com/Free-Culture-Nature-Future-Creativity/dp/0143034650/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265912463&sr=8-1

     

    "The Age of Spiritual Machines" by Ray Kurzweil

    http://www.amazon.com/Age-Spiritual-Machines-Computers-Intelligence/dp/0140282025/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265912597&sr=8-1

     

     

  • Microsoft's creative destruction

    I found a pretty good solution using the "user CSS" feature.  Using some CSS, I easily got rid of got rid of a lot of problems with Channel 9. The site feels a lot more friendlier, and the content is magically more technical. It's really a great feature actually, thank you to whoever coded that.

  • Microsoft's creative destruction

    Bas said:
    Bass said:
    *snip*

    Oh, so now your point is that the site is focused on Microsoft. That's quite a radical change from your earlier point of "Nobody here will ever admit that the Google ad is more tasteful because you guys don't want to admit it when Microsoft sucks".No problem. Changing the subject is apparently your way of admitting that you're wrong, so that's fine. Smiley

    Exactly the exact quote that seemed to put you into a rage was:

     

    Well this is Channel 9 (Microsoft site), so I am not going to expect the right answer.

     

    Which is a little different then your exclusivity quote.

     

    Note this quote comes from experience. Sometimes I paste an article or some kind of information on a thread here, and maybe 5 other places. And this site I always almost the exact opposite reaction from all the others. It's interesting really. So I have come to expect extreme contradictions instead of agreement over here. And quite frankly, I don't really always feel like pandering to it. That's why I don't really bother posting anything overly 'controversial' here, except in the rare cases I think it's important information and I am willing to accept some abuse in order to relay it. And that's getting increasingly more rare because of situations like this.

  • Microsoft's creative destruction

    Ray7 said:
    Bass said:
    *snip*

    Now you're just thrashing about for an argument to win. The front page (which looks fine aside from the funny characters in the title) has nothing to do with it. Lets go back to the original statement that you keep making: this forum is biased towards Microsoft.

     

    Fact is, it should be, but it really isn't. Anyone who reads this thread alone can see that. 

     

     

    Okay, so your point is this site, despite being run by Microsoft for the purpose of promoting and showcasing Microsoft technologies (look at the video section), and where a large number of threads in the Coffehouse is about .NET, Visual Studio, Windows 7, and Microsoft's vision. It doesn't matter if you are complaining about or promoting these things, the focus regardless is on Microsoft. This is Microsoft bias. But if you don't agree, feel free to believe that. I'm not going to change your mind.

     

    There is no way I will forget I am posting this on a Microsoft site which will be read by people who are neck deep in Microsoft technology on a realistic level and maybe a philosophical level. Note I did say I didn't find anything inherently wrong with the Microsoft bias on this site. In fact, I find it cute, this is the only site I know like it. Even sites that focus on Microsoft like MSFN have Mac OS X and Linux sections and news (IIRC they even maintain their own official Linux distribution). But this site is quite an anthropological goldmine, if one wanted to study the tribe of Microsoft.  Tongue Out

  • Interesting AI discussion on Slashdot

    rhm said:

    I can see computers eventually getting good at the turing test (in fact I'm so surprised that they aren't already, I'm kindof tempted to have a crack at it myself), but there's a big difference between that doing useful work or anything that you might call 'intellectual'.

     

    There are big limitations on what a computer can do in any case - it's not just a case of 'we'll write better software and make faster computers and it'll all be ok'. It's provable that a program cannot produce a program that is greater in complexity than itself. Thus you cannot have AI automatically getting more sophisticated by itself (the Skynet situation). That's not to say AI techniques cannot produce more interesting and useful systems and services, but I find it frustrating that personalities are still willing to make 30 year predictions that assume things will just get solved because people are working on them.

     

    It's provable that a program cannot produce a program that is greater in complexity than itself. Thus you cannot have AI automatically getting more sophisticated by itself (the Skynet situation).

     

    Where is this proof? 

  • Interesting AI discussion on Slashdot

    http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/02/10/2323248/When-Will-AI-Surpass-Human-Intelligence?art_pos=4

    One also predicted that in 30 years, 'virtually all the intellectual work that is done by trained human beings...can be done by computers for pennies an hour,"

     

    I kind of agree with this. The goal of computer science as I see it, is to end human labor forever.

  • Microsoft's creative destruction

    Ray7 said:
    Bass said:
    *snip*

     

    Or you could handle it the same way every other adult handles it, and not whine when folk disagree with you.

     

    Just a thought.

     

    Are you implying that the purpose of Channel 9 is to be a giant whinefest? Just looking at the first page of Coffeehouse, if this was my first day here that is what I would think. One thing about being an adult is knowing when it's time to STFU, and not making the same complaining threads over and over.

  • Suggestion for new forum

    There is so many threads in The Coffeehouse that is main topic of discussion is bother by Microsoft products, their vision, whatever. Some of them even demanding a Microsoft response or something like that. It's getting quite annoying, at least to me. You know how we have a "Feedback" forum? How about split this into "Microsoft General Feedback", and "Channel 9 Feedback". Hey, make it even more special you have have some dedicated Microsoft employee that replies to every topic.