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Bass Bass Knows the way the wind is flowing.
  • Microsoft posts record profit, blames Windows 7

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-surprising-q2-fueled-by-windows-7-2010-01-28?dist=afterbell

     

    After several quarters of lackluster performance, Microsoft posts $6.66 billion in profit, the highest ever.

  • Bill Gates: We will continue to support Chinese censorship

    Ray7 said:
    Bass said:
    *snip*

    You seem to have difficulty reading what you quoted. From my understanding.

     

    'No longer willing' doesn't mean they've pulled out yet, which is further implied by the fact that they are still negotiating and haven't yet exited the market.

     

    Bas is right, it's not a done deal.

     

    Just a quick correction: He might be right about that.

     

    Google isn't refusing to aid in Chinese censorship.

     

    ^ And he is clearly wrong about that.

  • Bill Gates: We will continue to support Chinese censorship

    Ray7 said:
    Bass said:
    *snip*

    That's quite a lame get out. If you're going to put the guy's name in front of the colon then you should quote what he actually said. It's only polite.

     

     Thanks for the suggestion, I'll consider it for next time.

  • Bill Gates: We will continue to support Chinese censorship

    Bas said:
    Bass said:
    *snip*

    Last I heard it was far from a done deal, they were still censoring their results, they were planning to negotiate with the chinese government, and they were denying their earlier 'plans' to leave China.  That was two weeks ago though, so maybe things have changed, but I'd like to see a source for that. Just to be sure given your tendency to, you know, make stuff up.

    The company has said it is no longer willing to filter content on its Chinese language google.cn engine, and will try to negotiate a legal unfiltered search engine, or exit the market.

     

    Per your linked article you seem to have not read. Thank you for the source, btw. Smiley

  • Bill Gates: We will continue to support Chinese censorship

    Bas said:
    Dr Herbie said:
    *snip*

    I don't buy the "we're forced to do this"/"We have to honor the laws of the country regardless of how horrible they are" defenses. I do know, however, that the problem of wether it is better to stay in there and at least try to provide them with some information or wether it's better to make a stand and pull out of the country entirely is a complex and multilayered one that has been without precedent, and requires intimate knowledge of Chinese culture, law, and politics, and as such won't be solved by a bunch of armchair experts on an internet forum.

     

    I think it's kind of repulsive though, to present musings of a possible intention to pull out in a stray blog post as a done deal in order to deify one technology company and/or villify another. Especially since Google already having stated that they will 'continue to support Chinese censorship', as Bass would put it.

    It's already a done deal. Google is no longer censoring their search engine in China, and refuses to corporate with the PRC on censorship.  If the PRC blocks Google, Google will pull out of China and basically lay off all their Chinese employees.

  • Bill Gates: We will continue to support Chinese censorship

    qvp said:
    Bass said:
    *snip*

    It's up to the people of China to see that their 'freedoms' are upheld, not a business that isn't even based there. Just because a country runs things differently then your own doesn't make them wrong... just different.

    Sorry, but I don't buy that. Both corporations and individuals are internationally accountable for their role in human rights violations, no matter where in the world or under what law they occur. See a certain antisemitic regime that existed in the 1930-1940s for examples of other "law-abiding" corporations.

  • Bill Gates: We will continue to support Chinese censorship

    magicalclick said:

    Not that Bill cares since he is all for charity now. But, after all the law suits Bill had gone thru, I am sure he is not in the mood to fight a government that has no gauranteed freedom in their constitution. Besides, if it is not making money like Google did, MS will pull out as well. It is all about $$$ anyway. MS is staying because they think they can still make a profit on this market.

     

     

     

    Actually, the Constitution of China guarantees freedom of speech and freedom of religion to all Chinese people. The Communist Politburo just completely ignores it's existence, and runs the government like a dictatorship instead.

  • Bill Gates: We will continue to support Chinese censorship

    Bas said:

    Google isn't pulling out of China.

    Good point.

  • Bill Gates: We will continue to support Chinese censorship

    Ray7 said:

    Yes, those were his exact words!

     

    <rollseyes/>

     

    Did you see any quotes on anything I said? It isn't ment to be a direct quote, however Bill Gates did say they will continue censorship practices in China. There is nothing misleading at all, it was exactly what he said.

  • Bill Gates: We will continue to support Chinese censorship

    brian.shapiro said:

    Discussion of this has to start off with the understanding that Google didn't pull out of China because they had a moral problem with censorship, but because they had their computers hacked into. Attempts to make Google a hero are silly.

    It wasn't their computers hacked, it was computers of Chinese dissenters accessing Gmail.