Besides qualify of life and happiness, anything else is superficial.phreaks said:Dude, these people will never understand it.dahat said:*snip*
They preach equality but practice discrimination, forget about them; they are lost.
They don't believe in merit, perseverance or personal responsibility and probably never will.
I am not going to go into democracy vs republic. Obama won on both the popular vote and the electoral vote, so it doesn't change anything. The man won by a landslide too, not ~500 votes. So there is very little disputing the fact that Obama won by a democratic OR republican process. Not respecting this is equivalent to not respecting the way USA is run. President gets elected in a process, and Obama got elected by this process. If the people want a fiscal conservative libertarian, they they ought to get one by this same process. But it looks like the people want a socialist. And if the people want socialism, they should get socialism. This is our government system, which is influenced a great deal by the wants of the majority. Obama is not 100% my choice, but he is America's choice, and I respect the choice of the citizens who live in my country. And really you should too. Republicans need to realize that they don't own the flag.dahat said:Bass said:*snip*
> Democracy is what elected Obama.
Actually it is called the Electoral College system... or was it also democracy that elected George W Bush twice?
> Being a real fan of democracy is having to understand and respect the democratic process, and not letting your ideology get in the way of that.
And yet you do not have an understanding of it... this country is not a democracy, it is a republic. Do we really have to have this conversation again?
> The people want Obama, and the people largely want socialism. That's democracy buddy.
So... the will of the people is always right? That’s what we call mob rule my friend and is a fairly unpleasant place to be if you are ever in the minority... which is why our founding fathers created a system where while the will of the majority is tempered by the rule of law and other mechanisms to keep one group side from completely overwhelming the other(s).
> And by the way, taxes are completely constitutional. If you respect the Constitution, you have to respect the right of the government to levy income tax.
Correct... so far... but before moving on I need to address your potentially… totalitarian comment there. Just because something is constitutional or legal doesn't necessarily mean it is right... for if that was the case there wouldn’t be so many people so angry that I have the right to keep and bear arms. Or are you saying that if there is a government power (or individual right) laid out in the constitution... that we should never challenge it?
> Obama is well within his power to sign in laws to increase it, and I hope he does, especially for the richest among us.
... but that’s where you lose out. Constitutionally speaking a (federal) progressive income tax is unconstitutional as it violates the equal protection clause of the constitution… not that we are going to have such a fact recognized by the Supreme Court, our legislators or the tax collectors.
It's not only about the free food. Really Google got #1 place to work. They aren't the only workplace that provides free food. So it's not just the food. It's also a lot about the culture and general employee happiness.Matthew van Eerde said:Bass said:*snip*
What would the company do with that money if they weren't spending it on soda or food? Anybody's guess. Maybe give it out in the form of higher salaries; maybe increase profit margins (good if you're a shareholder); maybe throw it away.
Personally, I'd prefer a higher salary to free soda (or even free food.)
Well that's great, you also buy it from the supermarket. I think it's a little different when it is free. I can understand why Microsoft wouldn't give them for free (they are very expensive), but fact is Google does.Sampy said:Bass said:*snip*
Working on Adwords is cool. Even dull problems can be very complex from a computer science perspective. It's machine learning, natural language processing, graph theory, etc. That's the thing about Google man, almost everything they do is hard. Even simple stuff have to build completely with parallelization using MapReduce, that's just the nature of the problem. Really as far is their public software showings, there is not a single thing I wouldn't want to do at Google. Sure there is some stuff I'd like to work on more then others, but I have very confident from my experiences with the company that I would love to do anything there.blowdart said:Bass said:*snip*
Microsoft hasn't been able to captivate me and really I think a lot of other really nerdy people. I don't know why, maybe it's their business model, maybe it's because they are seen to be so anti-Linux and anti-FOSS, or maybe because they are seen to be arch typical "guys in suits". Not saying all this is true about the company, but I think it hurts their image at least with a percentage of the really nerdy types. I don't know who Microsoft likes to hire though, but my impressions is they like to hire the really nerdy types anyway. I am not going to talk crap about Microsoft though. They really do a lot of cool stuff and I am sure there is a lot of smart and very nerdy people there.
Dude I would be perfect for Google. I am not the kind of person that cares too much about work-life balance. Maybe I will 10 years from now, but I rather work 80 hours on something I enjoy doing then 40 hours doing something I hate. Besides there are such things as labor laws limiting how much a employer can expect you to work, even for salaried employees. So really 80 hours would be a bit of an exaggeration (not saying you said it). I am 100% positive I would love working in Google in almost any capacity.blowdart said:Bass said:*snip*
Not so much for Microsoft however. I really was interested when C9 did their Jobblog thing to get my question answered of "why would someone work at Microsoft over Google", but as far I saw my question wasn't asked.
But really.. there is definitely a lot interesting stuff to do at Microsoft, but it doesn't look like entry level would be able to get those types of positions. No, I don't consider most of the Windows development work interesting. Sorry, I am not trying to be obnoxious or anything, I really don't find it interesting.
But really it's all mute because I doubt I'll be able to work for Google, while Microsoft is within the realm of possibility. I just wish Google would actually understand how much I'd love to work for them, and really how passionate I am about computers in general. But hey maybe every applicant to Google is like that. I don't know.
I am not impressed. Microsoft should really be stocking this:http://www.nakedjuice.com/PaoloM said:Bass said:*snip*
In the two beverage fridges in the kitchenette closer to me you have a full selection of Welch juices, the whole gamut of Coke and Pepsi offerings, the whole set of Talking Rain products (including some custom cans made specifically for some Microsoft's events),
...reduced fat milk cartons, fat free milk cartons and chocolate milk cartons (unfortunately, we switched brands some time last summer and these have high fructose corn syrup instead of cane sugar...)
Then we have a Startbucks iCup machine for freshly ground and brewed drip coffee, a snack dispenser machine with a healthy snacks section and then another fridge with quick lunch selections, plus a full selection of teas and herbal things. The snacks and quick lunch are not free.
Same selection is in the other kitchenette.
Upstairs, we have a full cafeteria with service all day (where I had breakfast with my wife this morning) and a small cafe'.
The company should be giving free food too. Come on if you are going to copy Google on many things at least copy the free food aspect as well.
Google or Microsoft for me at least isn't a tough decision of which one to work for. Google has been rated the #1 best company to work for by Forbes magazine, and Microsoft's way behind them. This is not even considering the fact that I respect Linux and would probably enjoy doing Linux development fulltime. I doubt I'd get that kind of opportunity working for Microsoft. So the choice is really obvious in this case.
But damn it is hard to get into Google. Really hard. So it's quite possible I'd "end up" working for Microsoft anyway. Which isn't totally bad for someone wanting to work for Google. I hear Google loves to hire Microsoft employees.
Well I really shouldn't be talking like this, because I might end up working for McDonalds for all I know. Obviously working for Microsoft is very prestigious in it's own right, and I am for a lot of people (and maybe you) it's the dream job.
From what I seen MSFT seems kinda scared to benchmark .NET or allow people to benchmark .NET, something in the EULA even mentions benchmarking. Which is kind of silly, since the only benchmarks I have ever seen put .NET to be one of the fastest managed frameworks, or at least on par with Java.