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Bass Bass Knows the way the wind is flowing.
  • Google (Chrome) OS

    Bass said:
    dahat said:
    *snip*

    True belief(tm) shouldn't be underestimated. Entire superpowers have fell under it's power.

    And really the lure of free software is more powerful then you guys think. Some of the idealogy is very strongly tied to the quote unquote "resource based economy" ideas that have been gaining momemetum as possible replacements to capitalism. The idea is that through technology advacements (especially in the field of computer science) human will no longer need to work, and all human labor will become labors of love.

    Actually to add to this, there is a Microsoft employee named Keith Curtis who wrote a book "After the Software Wars", which is primarly a book about free software. It's written in the perspective of his experience as a Microsoft employee.

    http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=135

    It's worth a read. Costs $13 on Amazon or free if you download from his website.

  • Google (Chrome) OS

    dahat said:
    Bass said:
    *snip*

    True belief only gets you so far... and without enough backing to be able to oh say... build a church or two and advertize... they risk remaining largely a cult of rather small numbers.

    True belief(tm) shouldn't be underestimated. Entire superpowers have fell under it's power.

    And really the lure of free software is more powerful then you guys think. Some of the idealogy is very strongly tied to the quote unquote "resource based economy" ideas that have been gaining momemetum as possible replacements to capitalism. The idea is that through technology advacements (especially in the field of computer science) human will no longer need to work, and all human labor will become labors of love.

  • Google (Chrome) OS

    PaoloM said:
    Bass said:
    *snip*

    Not exactly. Even if Windows "fails", there's still a lot of other profitable stuff that Microsoft does. Google is not its search engine. Google is AdSense (and OneBox, in a much more minuscule way).

    Google search engine is a big reason why AdSense is successful, plus it's one of the few ways they collect 100% of the AdSense revenue. Sure it's not their only revenue source but if Google search becomes irrelevent I feel I can safely predict everything else they do will knell over without this major revenue source.


    Windows is something like 1/3 of Microsoft's revenue, and even larger source their profit. It would seriously hurt Microsoft if they lost Windows, and they'd lose pretty much all their other software incomes without Windows powering them.

  • Google (Chrome) OS

    dahat said:
    Bass said:
    *snip*

    While anyone *CAN* certainly pick up the Linux sources and try to do something nifty with them... wouldn’t you think that such notable failures give people cause for concern and make them think twice about doing so?

    I guess it could. But there are enough true believers(tm) in free software that don't care if they have to fail a thousand times, they'll still push on until they succeed. Smiley

  • Google (Chrome) OS

    PaoloM said:
    Bass said:
    *snip*

    But Linux failed (on the netbooks). So if you are hoping for a similar outcome, Google will fail and "disappear", right?

    Google can only really fail if their search engine fails. Google search engine is as to Microsoft's operating system.

  • Google (Chrome) OS

    PaoloM said:
    Bass said:
    *snip*

    So you want Google to utterly fail and disappear from the market? Because "That is exactly what happened on netbooks." s/Google/Linux/g

    That's the magic of open source, ANYONE can pick up the pieces and run with it all over again. Windows lacks this endurence, it's success it is tied to the success of Microsoft. If Windows fails, Microsoft fails, if Microsoft fails, Windows fails. If Google fails, then Google fails. Not Linux.

  • Google (Chrome) OS

    Sabot said:
    exoteric said:
    *snip*

    I hear the message, I get the significance, I'm still saying, 'so what?'

    Google dances around the edge of useful.

    They just make a whole bunch of tools, how many are unique? how many of them are the best? how many would you actually use if you had to pay for them?

    ... we let Google off allot because stuff is 'free' ... when search advertising is really paying for it. Google leverage their finances they make by this method to make 'good enough' products place them in markets to weaken other organisations revenue streams because they know 'free' is a great price.

    But I don't want to see innovation like this!

    I want to see Google work more with other organisation (like Oracle, IBM and Microsoft) and build ontop of existing products enchancing them.

    How so?

    Our lifes are made up of data, much of it is duplicated and out of date because we make copies of it at points in time.

    Google is uniquely placed to link the definitive sources of data to everyone who needs to use it, Google could help us find what we are looking for and deliver it in a uniformed way, which we pay them for.

    Google could be the kick-arse search UDDI of the web, but no, they want to play 'we can make stuff better than you' games.

    Can you see my frustration?

    The Internet is big and companies like Google continue to think small ... and they have the assets at their fingers tips to really make a difference.

    My message to Google is simple .... THINK BIGGER, THINK BEYOND I.T.

     

     

    Don't think this is some major investment for Google. Even in Microsoft you see a lot of different groups making crap that has really very little hope of ever generating revenue. Big companies like to take a lot of positions in the market even some that don't seem to make any business sense. They won't bet the farm on any of them, but they'll invest a couple mill on it (which is petty cash for big companies).

    Mostly I think this is designed to be a big FU to Microsoft. Microsoft wants to kill Google. This is not an empty threat. Microsoft is very good at killing companies. So Google has to act.

    I only see one way Google can fight back: Google needs to kill Microsoft first.

    So Google has to hit back where it hurts Microsoft. They won't hit the Xbox, that won't hurt Microsoft. They most certainly won't hit the Zune, that is a product that probably is a nice money sink. Not even Sharepoint or Exchange. No, you got to hit Microsoft were it hurts.

    Almost all of Microsoft's riches comes from just two products, Windows and Office. If you weaken them, even by a little, you greatly weaken Microsoft as whole, everything becomes dysfunctional, including their completely unrelated attempts to kill Google.

    This Chrome OS might not even be a successful product, but it doesn't have to be. It can act as a bargining chip for OEMs which could cause Microsoft to lower their OEM prices. That is exactly what happened on netbooks. Every $1 concession Microsoft makes to an OEM ultimately amounts to hundreds of millions in lost profit. That's less money Microsoft has on hand to attack Google with.

    Google may be in a way, trying to cut off Microsoft's air supply. How ironic.

  • Changing router firmware

    Hello I have a Linksys WRT54Gv6 router. I want to change the firmware on it.

    I've looked into DD-WRT, OpenWRT, Tomato, Gargoyle.

    Any suggestions?

    I think it is possible this is a VxWorks router, so it might limit my options a little.

  • Google (Chrome) OS

    Minh said:

    I like it... I totally see a Google OS booting up in 5 secs... because maybe it somehow initializes just the devices needed to get browsing

    1) video

    2) hard drive

    3) network

    Once you're online, you can load the rest of the devices / services later...

    Maybe this will push Windows to do the same

    It will be hard for Windows to do the same because of all the libraries that compose the Win32 API. In some ways Microsoft success depends on the complexity of the Win32 API (it's hard as hell to recreate), but they are also a slave to this complexity.

  • Google (Chrome) OS

    CannotResolveSymbol said:
    AndyC said:
    *snip*

    X11's a bit messy on the desktop, but it has its advantages over writing directly to the framebuffer (easy remote access, for one...  remoting of individual applications is easy without having to mess with Citrix or anything).

    I think also framebuffer is not accelerated (I could be wrong though). It's just a primative video access. X11 is much more robust in many different ways, IMO. But yeah it's complex, especially to hack on.