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  • More proof MS technologies are on the way out...

    Yea it explains the problem with a nice technical breakdown. Good thing the guy didn't do his analysis on a WinRT app (either mobile or PC). He'd probably blow a gasket if he did since he is complaining about a 35ms round trip.

  • There is no escape from the suck-train!

    , bondsbw wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio:  I don't necessarily mind the conversations.  I think they are good for the community.  I'd just rather them be focused, and keep to the topic at hand.

    Acceptable thread:  "Windows 10 start menu STILL SUCKS!!!" and providing a succinct list of reasons why the start menu sucks and focusing on that throughout the thread.

    Not acceptable:  "Apple watch makes me salivate!" and then changing the topic to what sucks in Windows 10.

    Not acceptable:  "Windows 10 sucks" and then listing 10 paragraphs about every thing you have hated in Windows past and present and future and people who don't work here any more and everything else you can blame Microsoft for.

    If we can all agree to keep on topic, then I think we would be more civilized and probably find that we agree on a lot more than not.

    If Windows sucks then it sucks. In the case of Windows 8 and 10, that covers a lot of ground. Why are you so afraid to hear this from the people that used to like Windows?

    The problem is you think everyone that don't agree with you should just get over it, accept the change, and like it. It is impossible to have an argument with someone having this mindset.

    You can't really talk about other people derailing threads, because you are the king of going off into mind-numbingly stupid arguments about what qualifies as Metro and what doesn't. And if something doesn't meet your standard of what qualifies as Metro, it means the desktop really is exactly like it used to be.

    So maybe you should first take your own advice before dictating what other people can and cannot say.

  • There is no escape from the suck-train!

    , bondsbw wrote

    @BitFlipper: Get over yourself. I wasn't even talking to you.

    Your dumb comment was talking about me, so yea, I'll respond. You waited all this time to turn my previous reply to you against me, and failed. LOL

  • There is no escape from the suck-train!

    Why? It makes zero sense. Is it some big revelation or something?

  • There is no escape from the suck-train!

    , kettch wrote

    @BitFlipper: I'm just trying to figure out what you hate so much. So far, it just seems to be everything Microsoft. In that case, why would Microsoft even bother to try to please people who hate so indiscriminately?

    Uhm, no. See, that is the point you are missing with me, and with many other people as well:

    I used to be a big MS fanboy. Go check my posts of a few years ago. I've always used and advocated Windows, no other OS (although I'm doing Windows + Linux development at work now). I had an Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox One on the 1st day each were released (I have 2 x Xbox 360 + 2 x Xbox One right now). I had a WP on the 1st day it was released, and currently have a Lumia 920. I have a SP3. I have countless pet dev projects, mostly in C#, because I love it.

    So the last thing you can call me is someone that hates all things MS.

    However... things started going south with Windows 8, and just like many other people, I'm trying to understand what the thought processes are that keep pushing this turd down this path that is clearly hated by many people. Isn't it kinda... obvious... at this point that the whole force-metro-crap-into-everything is a giant failure?

    It's all over the internet, just search for any topic about Windows 8 and the vast majority of comments will be from people saying they hate it. For example, I was surprised that some of my non-computer savvy friends would offer up, without my asking, that they hate Windows 8. Usually I don't even talk about computers with them since it isn't their interest, yet they just mention it out of the blue. Another example is my dad, who while tech savvy, isn't a computer power user. Yet also out of the blue he tells me on the phone one day how proud he is, since he made W8 to work "just like" W7 since he found this thing called "Classic Shell". I didn't tell him about it, he told me about it, and I started using it as well after checking it out.

    So yea, I'd say there is a big problem, but you people are so blind to these issues that it will take W10, W12, W14 and who knows how many more to fail before accepting there is a problem. I've never seen such a huge amount of denial over the existence of a serious problem like this before. I mean, what exactly would it take to get the point across?

  • There is no escape from the suck-train!

    , kettch wrote

    *snip*

    Define "Metro" please.

    Not that dumb argument again. Doesn't even need a reply.

    , bondsbw wrote

    *snip*

    You're right.  You prop up your little strawman, acting like I commented on your position about how Windows 8/8.1/10 sucks even when the conversation had nothing to do with that.

    Why should I expect you to do anything else?

    Get over yourself. I wasn't even talking to you.

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    Why do I need a different outcome? I use Windows 8.1 over and over again, and it works great. I anticipate the same with Windows 10. You act like I have some vested interest in the success of Windows 10.

    I didn't think I needed to explain this to you, but ok...

    I lumped you, MS and the six other people that like W8 into the same group. MS keeps pushing out the same garbage since W8 while the 7 of you cheerleaders keep drinking deep from the Kool-Aid. All the while being in denial about the epic failure so far. And then MS and the cheerleaders expect a different result the next time around.

    So since we can now see that W10 is going to be another fail, I guess we'll try again with W12. And after that W14. Repeat ad nauseam...

    Poor MS, they can't even give W10 away anymore. My, how far we have fallen from the glory days of W7.

  • There is no escape from the suck-train!

    I don't know, how much more do you guys need to realize the whole Metro experiment has been an epic fail? Talk about not wanting to accept something.

    But go ahead, keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different outcome next time...

  • There is no escape from the suck-train!

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    There's your problem right there. You have some asinine idea of what upgrade means.

    I think you have the asinine idea that W10 is an upgrade compared to W7.

  • There is no escape from the suck-train!

    @DeathByVisualStudio: I would generally agree however has MS's mobile strategy been successful enough to keep pushing down this path? Their Windows Store is a joke, and while Surface Pro 3 has been somewhat successful it makes up only a tiny percentage of mobile devices out there.

    I bought a SP3 partly because I wanted to use it as a tablet. However I found out the hard way that SP3 makes a horrible tablet due to the abysmal state of the Store. The app selection is extremely bad, and as such one cannot really use it as a tablet. I ended up buying an iPad Air 2 to fulfil my tablet requirements, and use my SP3 as a laptop only.

    So MS bet the farm on mobile and decided to effectively abandon the desktop since the money is in mobile and Store app sales. Since that failed, maybe MS should go back to making the desktop a first-class citizen (read: no Metro), and milk that for as long as they still can. We all know the desktop as we know it will eventually go away, but MS is killing off a cash cow prematurely for something else that has clearly failed. By the time they finally give up this failed strategy, there would be much less of the desktop left to milk.

  • There is no escape from the suck-train!

    I checked my update history and it is already installed. Never manually OK'd it. Wastingtime withforums does have a point that it is disguised as just a typical update that "...resolves issues in Windows". It is sneaky to say the least.

    EDIT: Being on Windows 8.1 already, it's probably just going from horrible to slightly less horrible. But if I were still on Windows 7, it would tick me off as much as it does wtwf I guess.